$4 Million for Climate Change research

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  1. Bowerbird

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    While at the same time cutting university financial support Tonee Abbott has given WA Uni $4 million for climate change research.

    I can hear the cries now "We told you that AGW is just made up by scientists wanting to take money from the government"

    Well, see thing is, and here is the kicker - the head of the this new "Consensus Centre" for climate change has been hand picked by Abbott, is not qualified for the job, is not even Australian but Danish and is a known climate sceptic

    Can anyone smell a fit up?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...eputations-say-academics-20150423-1mry7n.html

    This on top of Dr Karl withdrawing his support of the intergenerational report

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-...om-political-intergenerational-report/6393152

    I am sorry but Abbott seems to be a law unto himself - pushing his personal agendas throughout the politics instead of working towards a better Australia
     
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    Interesting the LNP has found a University that can find what the world has failed to deliver. There is no Global Warming as a result of Coal Pollution.

    The LNP is hiding itself as the Abbott Government. LNP politicians think ridding Abbott six months out from an election will make the punter believe they never were in Government , and we were ruled by a Dictator before the upcoming first election was called.
     
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    "Australia is among the nations that have missed a self-imposed deadline to firm up pledges worth $US4.7 billion ($A5.9 billion) to the Green Climate Fund, the fund says."
     
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    Don't be afraid of research people, your actually guilty of that you claim to chide by asserting someone researching a different point of view is somehow 'wrong'. I don't see how its a problem for the government to fund research into areas of public interest where a industry bias might be limiting application of scientific effort towards the truth - whatever that might turn out to be. If it turns out to be biased/bad science, 'then' you can go out with your buddies and protest in the streets, or do what normal people do and have your say at the ballot box. Otherwise youz sounds desperate - like Shorten does whenever he tries to talk about errr, anything.
     
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    LNP Abbott opposes the long time research of American NASA as done by a team of wankers, whereas he the great guru on all matters knows the bloke with the correct answers wanted by rock ape Abbott.
     
  6. Bowerbird

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    Why choose someone from outside Australia when the Garnaut review has already taken place here? Why choose someone who has a high profile as a sceptic? But the bottom line is that he is not qualified for the job - and there are plenty IN Australia who ARE qualified to do the job and are not partisan

    As for funding areas of public interest where an industry bias might be limiting application of scientific effort towards the truth" you HAVE to be joking on that point surely? The vested interests here who have been interfering with the truth are the Oil and Energy industries and many of those companies have a higher profit margin the entire GDP of a nation
     
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    Yes they want to point to Abbott and say "It was all his fault" however as the SMH article points out in this case the blame lies squarely in the PM's Office

    The the rot is deeper than climate science NO PM or government should have the right to overthrow the decision making ability of an independent authority such as a University to hire and fire

    We go down that road and we set precedents for nepotism and crony-ism that will ruin this nation
     
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    LNP Abbott has taken $4million of punters money away from children's health care to pay for the Bjorn Lommborg part time attendance contract at a WA University, to dispute American NASA findings on Global Warming the LNP attempts to disguise as Climate Change.

    "The controversial Bjorn Lomborg, now an adjunct professor at the University of Western Australia."

    "An adjunct professor is a part-time professor who is hired on a contractual basis rather than being given tenure and a permanent position."
     
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    Because the Garnaut review was just a media presentation of information already provided by pro-human global warming, and did not try to examine the opportunities of other sources. Newsflash.... the mechanism of science is skepticism.

    If your worried about vested interests, you would have complained about the piece of toilet paper that was the ALP's Garnaut review.

    Here's some non-human made global warming going on right now in Chile for you;

    image-20150424-14581-198n4ha.jpg

    The point being of course its not about trumpeting any one particular view (ALP's Garnaut rubbish), its about researching the issue, and a skeptic is 'required' else confirmation bias either creeps in or is embraced as a career move, especially when its become ramped up as some belief warfare by the pro-human warming crowd to the point they are frothing at the mouth at anyone who questions their blind belief in the science as it might have been presented. Science needs to move forward, not hang onto a belief and limit participation within that belief - no matter if the science says so or not.
     
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    Bb,
    the fact that $4m was given to an independent (you shouldn't believe otherwise) highly recommended top notch Uni is the end of the saga, the end of our belief of a fair an independent higher education system.
    UWA, good on you, you are such suckers (acting like a whore), our international reputation just went down the drain....
    Regards
     
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    Didn't it what? Their senior staff are threatening to walk out on them because there is no way that Lomborg has the qualifications for the job and if Abbott can pull this off then it opens the door to incredible crony-ism. Want a job? Cosy up to the LPN and Abbott will just hand you a job on a platter
     
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    A rock ape Abbott appointment reading script prepared by Abbott to get his pay!

    "Dr Bjorn Lomborg is an academic and the author of the best-selling The Skeptical Environmentalist and Cool It. He challenges mainstream concerns about the environment and points out that we need to focus attention on the smartest solutions first."

    Begs the question why challenge main stream concerns, yet be just the bloke to fix them the cheapest possible way.
     
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    "Ms Bishop said she’d been looking for people who would challenge the status quo."

    “You don’t want a group-think approach,” she said.

    "The decision to give money to the group think approach UWA Australia Consensus Centre reportedly was made in Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s office."
     
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    $4million has now been striped from chldren in intensive care to finance a foreigner, yet supposedly nobody knows who had that right or who did it.

    Trust the LNP sure cant!
     
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    What job? Being one of 14 people on a commitee!!!?

    Mr Michael Bloomberg
    Dr Bjorn Lomborg
    Ms Veronika Lukito
    Ms Sam Mostyn
    Dr Andrew Moutu
    Ms Tara Nathan
    Ms Sally Osberg
    Ms Annie Parker
    Dr Sarah Pearson
    Dr Sam Prince MD
    Mr Sanjay Reddy
    Mr Ryan Stokes
    Mr Chris Vein

    It makes perfect sense to have someone who a non-mainstream view. The staff threatening to quit (I wish they would) are just showing their bias and ignorance, and should be fired because its those staff members who are embarrasing the Uni and the country on the international stage. Small minded bigots by the sound of it.
     
  16. Bowerbird

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    Source???

    Because this seems to link into a DIFFERENT project - one for 20 million dollars that

    http://techau.com.au/dfat-invests-20-million-in-bloomberg-for-innovationxchange/
     
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    It just shows your bias, you hate those climate monkeys, these Green'es, don't you?
    Regards
     
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    Bb,
    you didn't get my drift?
    Tone Abbott is not only working against our future, but also destroying our reputation.
    It is a bit like in the US, where religion is more and more replacing scientific views.....
    We have a dangerous idiot steering us.....
    Regards
     
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    No argument from me - what I want to know is who is Lomborg to Abbott that he has ended up with his Trotters in not one but two of the little gravy trains Abbott has set up
     
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    Sheeesh! Abbott puts up 4 Mill for climate research and you complain about it! The acolytes of the church of AGW are never happy unless they are getting all the attention, like little children or small dogs.
     
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    That is nothing new. We have the same thing here in the states. Pushing one's political or party's agenda and not that of the good old USA. Welcome to the world of politics.
     
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    Tony Abbott quoted Dr Lomborg in his 2009 book, Battlelines, to explain why it doesn't make sense "to impose certain and substantial costs on the economy now in order to avoid unknown and perhaps even benign changes in the future".

    In an email to supporters of the Climate Council on Friday, former Australian of the Year Tim Flannery said it was "extraordinary" that the government had abolished the Climate Commission "which was composed of Australia's best climate scientists, economists and energy experts" on the basis of lack of funding only to find the money to "import a politically-motivated think tank to work in the same space."
     
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    Oooops, I'll refer to my original position then, and add this;

    But UWA vice-chancellor Paul Johnson said Dr Lomborg was not leading the research and was not being paid as an adjunct professor.
    “Lomborg is a contrarian but he is not a climate change denier,” Professor Johnson told AAP.
    “His contrary stance is around the use of economic efficiency and effectiveness of mitigation and adaptation strategies.
    “Contrarians are, I think, useful, particularly in a university context.”
    He said a cost benefit analysis was one way of ranking possibilities in order to make decisions on how to tackle climate change.


    Much ado about nothing from the loony left.
     
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    Contrarian.

    NOUN a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion.

    ADJECTIVE opposing or rejecting popular opinion or current practice:
     
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    I'ts a one off contribution to the UWA project AFAIK for actual research, versus an ongoing operating fee for just repackaging other peoples publicly available material, just so the ALP could pretend it was doing something. One is a waste of taxpayers money, and the other is actual contribution to science.... go figure which is which if it is not obvious.

    Yup, popular is overrated.... groupthink is a disease 90% of the time, and the enemy of good science.

    Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.

    I wish the left would stop being emotional puppets being strung along by agenda driven popular spin, its embarrassing to the rest of us to share air with.
     

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