Current immigration is a disaster for Western Europe (politically incorrect thread)

According to Thilo Sarrazin, (Deutschland schabt sich auf), Germany is on route to get rid of itself due to the demographic evolution and the immigration from the third world, primarily the muslim world.

Problems are basically:

1) the low birth rate among the original Europeans

2) the fact that the intelligent people tend to have fewer babies than the less intelligent

3) mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa

4)much higher birth rate among the immigrants and their descendants

5) 3 and 4 does not solve 1 and 2. It aggravates the problem!

A presentation by Thilo Sarrazin on his work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So17sKC0t-I

I believe, he has also stated the average IQ of Europeans is higher than the average in the Middle East and Africa, the average IQ of jews is the highest among any population.
That is politically incorrect to say, but there seems to be a lot of evidence for it. It needs to be looked at it in my opinion, one should not be shunned for bringing up these statistics.

Political correctness is a big problem, because many people do not dare bring up the problems.

These things in Germany, are going on more and less in all of Western Europe. It is a very serious situation.

This is a short video about cousin marriages in the arab world / Middle East and their communities in Denmark.
The problem is it tends to produce a lot of disables children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKYuPBvMa7g

It was covered by the national media in Denmark, that is politically on the left. In this case, it was forced to cover the taboo, due to a case of a school psychologist voicing his concerns about this topic.

Unfortunatly, this problem was quickly hidden again even though it is a huge problem. A big overreprensentation of severely disabled children fill our special need´s schools due to this cultural norm of cousin marriages.


Another problem is the religiosity of the muslim population. Several studies have showed that the muslim youth of the European countries are more religious than their parents. That means more favouring the Sharia state, more in favour of terrorism as a legitimate method.
We have seen how smaller groups withing muslim socities can wreck the rest of the country. This could happen in Europe.

Mark Steyn has made some serious predictions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opLti093RDU

We need to get rid of political correctness, we need the get rid of coward politicans, we need people who can speak eloquently and passionatly, who are brave.

Oskar Freysinger is the type of politician we need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DnbM4EJRpk

Interview with Oskar Freysinger in French (English subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kfTC7Lm4eA
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeZY9jNKJ8
part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvB9pvPkHv0

It has been said that the 20th century was a fight between ideologies, but the 21st century will be a fight between national and religious identities. I fear that this could happen in the long run in some European countries, but we can do something about it, if we dare. Much, much stricter immigration policies is a minimum.

I hope that I did not bore you with my first thread.

 

Integration in Germany:
In October 2010 German Chancellor Angela Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam near Berlin that attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany had "utterly failed", stating: "The concept that we are now living side by side and are happy about it does not work". She continued to say that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany's culture and values. This has added to a growing debate within Germany on the levels of immigration, its effect on Germany and the degree to which Muslim immigrants have integrated into German society.
source: "Merkel says German multicultural society has failed". BBC News. 2010-10-17.

 

Of course this is a sensitive issue, to even mention a disagreement against the multi-cultural immigration of EU countries leaves you open to the taunts of "racist" & "fascist" by the middle-class left-wing chattering-class, which they do as a matter of knee-jurk reaction!

But as I have previously stated on other threads UK unemployment currently stands at 1.9 million, UK immigration is at 7.5 million. So all it would take is 1.9 million less immigrants to ensure full employment. Is it racist to want to see British jobs for British people? Maybe some might say it is, but I see it as an attempt to drive down the wages of the British working class & to "swamp" their culture with foreigners. ... "swamp" is also a provocative word, but again I believe, that other than a minority of liberal-left-middle-class chattering group swamp is an appropriate word.

 

Thanks for the replies.

It is really interesting Angela Merkel stated that. Despite the honest statement, it seems not much has been done about it.

It is also interesting to note multiculturalism is primarily an experiment in the most well functioning states, primarily Western Europe.

A quick fact. Slovakia has 5, 4 million inhabitant and Denmark has 5,6 mio. inhabitants. I believe they have roughly the same size, maybe Slovakia a bit bigger. Last year, Slovakia got 300 refugess. Denmark: 14,000...

Is the Western Europen legacy not well functioning national states? Why should these be dissolved?

 

I mean just look at the countries where all these migrants are coming from, do you really want your country to end up like that?
Something else to point out, most all of these migrants are originating from the bad countries. If it was a good country they probably would not have wanted to leave in the first place.


[video=youtube;LPjzfGChGlE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE[/video]

 

Exactly right.

Why do people expect the country to be the same with a completely different population?

The question is are countries like Sweden going to be mini USA´s with huge disparities in wealth and huge ethnic/religious underclasses that will almost cyclically riot in the streets, or a poor Eastern European type state or an islamised country filled with an endless number of separate ethnic and religious groups?

 

Fight (civil unrest, even civil war?) is what need to be prevented, because you know what happened in the 20th century. First priority for a society is to remain order/power.
An increase in communications by the many political topics (immigration is one of many) will only lead to more chaos and confusion (means losing power, control and social order) Look at the political forums, you see a lot of communication (chatter) going on, and never a thread that is really going to solve something in advantage of society (only that a society is communicating more and more)

Politics and propaganda can push a society into chaos (maximum amount of communication, thus emotions and confusion in the minds of people going on) So individuals have to decide to bring their political communications down, start to talk over less emotional things, like hobby, vacation, leisure, etc.
First you have to prevent chaos (balance communications over emotional information, politics is high emotion communication, a lot of programs, movies and commercials on tv are too)

Because if a society can remains in natural state of order (natural amount of communciation), the power remains at the side of the population (instead of the powers that be, that always after absolute power and control), and society can solve all problems that never had been solved for the last half century) without influence of politicians (politicians are communicators, not solvers, people know how to solve problems) A lot of older immigrants don't want more immigrants too, because they can lose their job, their freedoms, good life and neighbourhood too.

 

Luckily for Western Europe, diversity is their strength. I imagine they are going to get stronger and stronger over the coming decades.

 

I am confused, you believe we should limit free speech?

 

That seems to be the extent of your "solution" to this complex of global issues - push it away because if it's only happening to other (foreign) people, you don't care?

However much you might enjoy talking down other people and other countries, unless you can come up with any kind of real solutions to the various problems the world faces, you're just adding to them. Of course there aren't any quick and easy solutions - if there were we'd have done them already.

 

Interference in the affairs of other countries leads to war. Better to mind one's own business.

 

A really bizzare post.
Rule number 1 in first aid is to stop the accident. The accident is the immigration from the third world. It is terrible for Europe.
Stop the accident.

 

LOL, Well that depends on your opinion of what defines Western European culture.

If you hate what has gone before, then destroying it with mass immigration & so-called "political correctness" you will be happy with the current state of affairs.

To want to preserve all that is good & Christian & what we have previously understood as Western European culture is something you hate ... then by no means advocate the status-quo.

 

Ask me in a century what defines Western European culture. I imagine a century from now it will be wildly different from what you think it is now.

 

I agree, & only because the fabians have destroyed what has existed for many 100's of years.

I despise the label "progressive" it usually means hatred for what has served us well for centuries & is advocated by youthful morons.

 

I grew up in a Britain both better-educated and more honest than the one we have today & the consequence of the dumbing-down of Britain has led to the acceptance of so such dishonest & crude political theories such as political correctness, PR & mass immigration.. All to destroy something that passed away in he 1950's. That being the aristocratic Government of Britian.

The Febians keep fighting an enemy long dead, all they have left is their inbreed hatred of all things British.

 

Fertility rates of some minority groups in the UK are much lower than a white British average of 1.8. It's only 0.9 for the Chinese, 1.3 for Caribbean British and 1.7 for British Indians. Only Muslims such as those of Pakistani and Bangladesh descent have particularly higher fertility rates, 2.8 and 2.7 respectively. It can be said that there is a Chinese genocide in Britain and without further immigration from China, the size of the Chinese community in the UK will shrink further at an alarming rate.

http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialibrary/briefings/dynamicsofdiversity/what-makes-ethnic-group-populations-grow-age-structures-and-immigration.pdf

 

I personally am not adverse to immigration, just unchecked immigration that we have due to the open door policy enforced on the UK by the EU.

Immigration certainly has a place in culture and society .. These are the things I would like to see as far as immigration is concerned -

1. Immigration only for what we require as a nation eg if we require nurses and cannot attract enough UK people to train as nurses then use immigration to fill up the short fall, that goes for fruit pickers as well
2. Our current immigration policy is discriminative, it places restrictions on people outside of the EU while allowing EU members to come here as they please, this needs to be changed so that it is equal for all.
3. Immigrants should be expected to cover their own medical costs for at least 5 years either through private medical insurance or a 5% extra National Insurance contribution, that 5% should be transferred directly to NHS funding.
4. Immigrants should be issued with a 6 month visa, if they have not found employment by that time then they should be returned to their own country, if they have found employment then their visa can be extended, after 5 years they can, if they wish apply for British Citizenship, if they do not then their visa can still be extended until they decide to apply for BC, return home or become unemployed for more than 6 months. The 5% levy remains in place until they become BC's
5. NO welfare payments until they have secured their BC.
6. A ban on sending more than 20% of their earnings back to their own country.
7. Political asylum seekers must remain within designated areas until their case has been investigated and decided upon, they must not seek employment until their case has been decided and as such the state will provide for them until that point (including medical requirements) and after until they receive wage payments.
8. A ban on employment agencies only having foreign workers on their books
9. Law deeming that all British unemployed persons if medically capable must accept re-training in areas of employment that are at a short fall.
10. Employers must seek to employ British people prior to immigrants, unless there are no available British people to fill the position.

 

you cannot state that there is a genocide going on simply because a population does not produce enough children to replenish their numbers. Genocide is the forced reduction, to extinction, of a population . .this is simply not happening in the UK.

 

things which are politically incorrect, always the truth

 

It's completly true! We don't live in a democracy anymore; politicians don't care about what people thing: majority of Europeans are really annoyed by immigration, but, politicans, who fear to be called racists and don't care about the interest of the country, continue to let migrants come...

I have nothing against migrants who come because they love the country, his values and want to get integrated, they don't annoy anybody and are totaly welcome, but they are unfortunaly very very rare; the bigest majority of migrants who come nowday don't want to get integrated, hate us (european of blood) and are here only for monney, treating you like an inferiror person because of the colonisation, where you where'nt born...! If it's continue, there will be problems, because people are less and less "tolerants"...

 

So over time Muslims will become the dominant culture of Western Europe.

I remember reading on this forum a few years ago "lets just get the NHS to serialize all Muslims & stamp out this growing cancer in Western society."

Which is a very unsound thing to say.

 

immigration is great for the business owner, free market neo-lib types as it keeps wages down - let the poor eat dirt!

 

It's great for socialist and communists, import low iq no skilled people into post industrial countries that have nothing but welfare for them. Overwhelm the system, destroy national identity and blame capitalism. Guaranteed votes and getting ever closer to the class warfare they want to sweep in their international socialism utopia that'll leave everyone equally poor. Except for their chosen elites through the powers of over reaching centralised govt, just as all commi and Fabian socialist have always wanted.

 

that's a fair comment although in the UK one must be a British Citizen to vote, that means at least 5yrs residence before being eligible - so yes, I guess some of the fairly recent immigrants can now vote, though I reckon a fair few of them vote Conservative

yes, immigration is where the Left have it all wrong, they are ideologically hamstrung here, ie: if they oppose immigration they oppose their ideology, however it's actually a distortion of the teachings of Lenin here - modern day neo-Trot liberals have become commodified by capitalism and sexuality, hence are their own worst enemy, and have gone full circle, nothing better than pseudo-marxist libs really....