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I can't believe that there are people who deny evolution in favor of intelligent design. It's like saying that water is perfectly designed to fit in a puddle. What's your take?

 

You're attempting to mix oil and water. "Evolution" is science based upon evidence while "creationism" and "intelligent design" are beliefs contrary to the evidence. The two subjects don't even belong in the same forum.

 

Actually there are many churches who are now combining evolution and creationism.

God created the world but he did it through the evolutionary process. Remember that the Bible is not really specific on how the people came about and our timeline does not necessarily equal what Gods timeline is. When he said he created Adam from dust how do we know he was not speaking about the evolutionary process?

This is the theory I tend to go with and one that most reasonable Christians believe in.

 

Ancient aliens which provided the spurts in mankind's advancement.

 

You could certainly fit that into the Bible also.

 

Voted #1, but my real answer is somewhere between #1 and #3, leaning towards #1; evolution is real on both the macro and the micro level, but the gods have been very much involved in the process of human evolution since long before the evolution of homo sapiens sapiens.

 

The Church thought the Earth was flat at one time also so its not unprecedented to change church policy based on new evidence. The great thing about the Bible is the historical and future accounts are so vague that you can incorporate anything you need to into it.

 

Hmm. This is a stretch, but perhaps what those of yore took to be gods and angels might have been ET's. There are a bunch of religions that describe beings, gods if you will that came down from the sky. Some folk lore among many religions have describe battles taking place in the sky or gods arriving in chariots three thousand years or more ago.

Perhaps the ancients were describing things they didn't understand in their own words of the time they lived. By the way I really wasn't serious, but you do have me thinking now. Maybe it all boils down to possibilities no matter how slim and if one believes were are the only life in the universe. If there is life out there besides ours and I find it almost impossible to believe there isn't. The numbers game. I think one can't totally close the door on that possibility.

 

Ah yes. Sort of like Nostradamus and his quatrains.

 

The Bible never mentions aliens one way or another you know.

The story of creation is vague at best since that is not something that is really important to know as a Christian. You will find throughout the Bible that God gets very specific about things we need to know for salvation but the story of creation, and other historical facts, are not. He therefore kind of glosses over them which means he left an awful lot out of the story.

Perhaps he did use aliens to populate our world, maybe he didn't, but the fact is that we simply do not know one way or the other. All we do know is that God DID create the human species we simply do not know the method by which he did it.

 

What would help is if people informed themselves about the subject.

Two good sources: Evolution 101
Khan Academy evolution videos

 

I always thought that particular take was sort of a stretch. It implies that god was around for billions of years, and then he made mankind and a few million years later he decided to speak to some people... or maybe they made that part up. And people just believe that the aaccent people were on to something.

 

If you can believe that space has always existed, and you have to because it has, then it is just as easy to imagine that God always existed. That is an equal starting point with each being as credible as the other.

You do not know how many times God has done this, maybe its his first time, we simply do not know what exists in Gods world and never will until we go to Heaven and maybe not even then.

You are trying to figure out God using human comprehension and that is simply not possible to do.

For all we know, God is part of the oldest race of sentient beings ever, that have lived for trillions of years, can you imagine what abilities they may have.....even to create life?

Do you really want to risk eternal damnation on a hunch that there is no being called God that exists?

 

There is a possibility that intelligent design is real. There is no way to disprove intelligent design. That said, the evidence pretty clearly points to evolution.

 

Who says it has to be one or the other though?

 

Bible people would do well to support science and show that the genealogy in Genesis corresponds well with the 22 species linking us back 7 million years ago.

 

Bible people would do well to focus their attention on the things that God wants them to know in the Bible and quit worrying about things such as how the world was created. That was put in there as a sidebar for context if you will, that is not Gods message to Christians.

 

Oh no, the bible is pretty specific.

[ex]5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.[/ex]

And so, we see, God is terrible at CPR.

 

That is extremely vague actually. "formed a man from the dust" could literally mean anything. Maybe God sent aliens here to plant DNA in the dirt, maybe "from dust" is referring to the evolutionary process, it is not specific at all.

 

The Orthodox Church has no official stance on this matter. The common theme is that believe what you will but remember all is from God. Just because he has allowed us humans understand some of the ways he has created the world does not remove God from the equation. So if I was asked "is evolution real" I would say yes that is the way God has created the creatures of this world.

 

And that is quickly becoming the prevailing theme among Christianity.

 

Says you...

Bill Maher spends every Friday telling everyone that Christians are stupid for even reading a book which, (as he claims), says evolution is false.

He even made a movie which spreads the idea that the Bible is dead wrong about everything it says in Genesis.
Then people like you support the medieval idea that Maher is corrct.

Do you have any idea... of how many young people never read the Bible,... never hear a rational way to understand what it says,... never become Christians?

Meanwhile, the sexually promiscuous Feminists and Gays lead them into a teenage life of promiscuity, abortions, illegitimacy, crime, and households of father less kids suffering child abuse???

 

They provided the spurts? Hmm.. now I know what their obsession with probing is about.

 

Maher is a whiney little man who is jealous of what Christians have so he feels the need to tear them down so they can be as miserable as he is.

But it doesn't work.

As for young people reading the Bible that is their choice unless they have never heard about religion in which case they automatically go to Heaven.

 

That is from Gen 2.
Genesis 2 is the story coming from man.

The story explains where man thinks he was born before the animals, whom he gets to name after he sees them.
Before then, for man, no plants existed until he appeared and then saw them.

We know this is true, because...
...in Gen 1, we had just read the real events taking place just as they actually did from the Big Bang forward.