For the Love of Clean Politics

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't be done.As of right now it is a technical Impossibility.
    Like Christopher Columbus claiming he could leave Italy and make it
    to the outskirts of the new world { Unclaimed America } in a
    days time.Maybe 6 hrs. if he pushes it.Maybe 4 hrs. if his life
    depended on it.Which is the pickle Americans have been placed in.
    Yes Folks, this Country and it's citizens have been placed in a pickle.
    Washington is Not to be trusted.Let alone it's Pols.They have a favorability
    below 9% most days.Probably as low as 6% on Saturdays.
    Going back up to 8% on Sundays { the Lords day }.
    The question then becomes what is an Electorate to do.They spoke
    rather affirmatively last November.The overall gist of the 2014 election
    was Stop Obama !!!
    Both Republican leaders { Boehner and McConnell } demonstrated they
    have no backbone for the task.Maybe it's too much work and feedback.
    Why bother since they got theirs.Boehner is still Speaker and McConnell
    is the new majority leader.
    As I hear a quisling refrain :
    " What difference,at this point does it make ! "
    Probably none to Less than Zero.Probably in negative territory.
    Because if there was some contraption to filter-out dirty/malfeasant
    Politics ... I surely haven't seen it advertised.The way those like McConnell
    advertised " removing ObamaCare root & branch ".
    Are We the People being played by both sides.?
    I guess at this point only one's hairdresser knows for sure.
    Meaning even Boehners & McConnells hairdresser also.
     
  2. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

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    Stop Obama? Stop Boehner and McConnell? The only way to do that is to completely shake up the tree. At least then something good will happen.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure you are. All the rhetoric is to make you think there is a huge difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. But in reality both are business as usual parties. Here in the good old USA, we actually have only one political party, but it has two wings, the Republican wing and the Democratic wing. Two sides of the same coin.
     
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    I like this phrasing.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Feel free to spread the truth.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get it.Two wings of the same bird.Or Birdie.Or Stork.Or ducky.
    NOT ! . That is what Libertarians dream of how Political party operate.
    That wasn't the case when Newt Gingrich took over control of the House
    in '94.Gingrich managed to Balance 4 straight budgets.Does that even
    remotely sound like what Harry Reid tried to do in Obama's entire First term.
    Reid refused to even debate a Budget.Let alone pass one.That's right.
    Harry Reid and his Senate did not offer and pass a budget in all Obama's
    first term.Name for me when that happened under Reagan or Bush 41.
    Let alone Bush 43.
    I think we got us here a " failure ta communicate " I do.
    It will be a cold day in hell when Republicans are blood brothers with
    the democrats { small d }.
    It may appear they are playing along for now.Chalk it up to Goodwill.
    More because of the monumental pressure of this Corrupt MSM.
    McConnell is mistakenly trying to prove a point.That when given the
    opportunity the GOP can Govern.Because that was the challenge thrust upon
    him repeatedly by this Grafted mainstream media.
    That the GOP are " Extremist " and " Obstructionist " and just unwilling
    to work with America's First Black President.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a good rant with no point. What exactly are you trying to discuss?
     
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    That's what the Tea Party has been trying to do for the last 6 years...
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How Clean Politics ain't. ?
    More like how clean dirty laundry is compared to todays politics.
    Especially when airing in Public.
    N'cest pas { rhetorical }
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which finally explained the likes of those political operatives like a Karl Rove.
    If it wasn't for the creation of the grass roots Tea Party we might have never
    seen the Real Karl Roves.Meaning Not Conservatives but Washington Insiders.
    Establishment Elites.
    Because Rove pulled out all his stops to discount and diminish Tea Party
    candidate in favor of establishment candidates.
     
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    Politics has always been a dirty business.
     
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    ......and always will be.
     
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    Kranes56 Banned

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    When they married themselves to the GOP, they became part of the problem. Now the GOP leadership can't stop them and nothing can be done.
     
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    They are attempting to take over the GOP and the current leadership of the GOP which along with the Democrats, who have controlled one or both houses of congress for 70 of the last 84 years are indeed the problem.
     
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    Trying? Yes. Are they any closer to their objective? No. How do we know? Look at the candidates the GOP has right now, there's no candidate really banking on Tea Party support. The closest is Rand Paul, but he's not getting the support he needs, mostly because he's sacrificing some values trying to court Conservatives while maintaining a Libertarian base. It's not going to happen. He will be forced in the end to make a cut somewhere but it's not going to work. Think about how he had to backtrack on foreign aid to Israel. He originally appealed to Libertarians by cutting foreign aid. Then he had to backtrack saying he would give support, in an attempt to win over the conservatives. He's trying hard but it's not working.
     
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    I would love for them to have a debate in which you were automatically booted from the stage if you mentioned the other candidate or referenced the other party. You could pitch yourself and your ideas only.
     
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    You're misunderstand something here. 1st the Tea Party is not libertarian while they agree with libertarians in some areas and are willing to work with them in certain regards, almost all in my experience are far more defense oriented than any libertarian. 2nd the current GOP leadership are what used to be called Neocons and before that Scoop Jackson Democrats. They left the Democratic party in droves after the McGovern nomination when their delegates were evicted from the Democratic convention and were replaced with far left zealots. This by the way is why the modern Democratic party has as much use for the military as a Tom cat has for nipples. They really are in most regards socialists of the old school.
     
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    The Tea Party has always been part of the GOP.

    Funny how little liberals actually know about the Tea Party.
     
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    1. That's basically what I have been saying. Tea Party is right in the sense of a free market, none of this neo-con "free market". But they do take their foreign policy of being involved militarily in the world for their own end. So this is where the divide between the Libertarians and Tea Party is. Economically they're very similiar in approach, but foreign policy wise they struggle. Rand Paul has to keep this in mind. His base is Libertarian but he needs to get more mainstream support, Tea Party, Neo, or Conservative. He's trying to reach out, but it's not getting there, thus in the end the closest thing to Tea Party isn't going to win. There's just not enough support for him as a candidate.

    2. What you're calling Socialist, isn't Socialism. It's Neo-Conservative. The reason it seems so "left wing" is because it supposedly has its origins off of Liberalism. By placing an emphasis on Businesses and the elite, then society can prosper. Most of GOP Leadership are Neo-Conservatives, think about their support for big business. Socialists would not stand for that at all. The reason why they sound so familiar to Democrats is because Liberalism is no longer Liberalism, it's Neo-Liberalism, which isn't ideologically that far off from Neo-Conservatism. It's the Neos that no one likes, Socialism.
     
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    Well actually they are both more nearly neo fascist but hey what's in a name.
     
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    Not too far off from the truth. I think the Neo-fascists are more, pro-state while the Neo-cons aren't.
     

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