China is getting bold over its island bases...

Exclusive: China warns U.S. surveillance plane

Above the South China Sea (CNN)The Chinese navy issued warnings eight times as a U.S. surveillance plane on Wednesday swooped over islands that Beijing is using to extend its zone of influence. The series of man-made islands and the massive Chinese military build-up on them have alarmed the Pentagon, which is carrying out the surveillance flights in order to make clear the U.S. does not recognize China's territorial claims. The militarized islands have also alarmed America's regional allies.

A CNN team was given exclusive access to join in the surveillance flights over the contested waters, which the Pentagon allowed for the first time in order to raise awareness about the challenge posed by the islands and the growing U.S. response. CNN was aboard the P8-A Poseidon, America's most advanced surveillance and submarine-hunting aircraft, and quickly learned that the Chinese are themselves displeased by the U.S. pushback.

"This is the Chinese navy ... This is the Chinese navy ... Please go away ... to avoid misunderstanding," a voice in English crackled through the radio of the aircraft in which CNN was present.

[video=youtube;4eSOMcpLdyk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSOMcpLdyk[/video]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/south-china-sea-navy-flight/index.html


The spratly islands are claimed by at least 5 nations, China is clearly committed exerting its influence in the region. IIRC there are large oil deposits nearby.

I also think they know Obama is a weak POTUS, and that this is the time to establish a presence in the region.

 

How dare they be "bold", right?

 

I like the idea of the Chinese humiliating Obama. Anything that discredits him is ok.

 

Thats a pretty simplistic view-but then again I think Obama's "red lines" haven't discredited anyone but himself.

The thing about being a leader-your actions matter.

 

Funny you're not asking how dare the chinese build military base off the coast of the Philipine way outside of their territorial waters... But then again you're a Brit and respect for others border isn't part of your morality.

 

Yes. Nothing starts wars quicker than weak, vacilliating leadership. The people who cheer this kind of thing the Chinese are doing on are morons.

 

Why CNN ???

So Obama uses CNN.

A competent President would have gone with Fox News Channel if he wanted raise the awareness what the chi-coms are up to and that Obama is on the ball on what's going on in the South China Sea. Not to be confused with golf balls.

Maybe Obama is just trying to reach out to those in his base who are still banging their heads against the wall for giving him a second chance in 2012 ?

The chi-coms are playing chess on the geopolitical chess board while Obama continues to play checkers with CNN.

The real story here is the P-8 Poseidon, the Navy's ASW aircraft that is the replacement for the very successful P-3 Orion. You know how it works, it has to be obsolete and if it's new, it has to be better.

The P-3 and P-8 are maritime patrol aircraft that patrols the oceans, conducts ASW operations and is actually a bomber.

Specifications (P-3C Orion)

General characteristics
Crew: 11
Length: 116 ft 10 in (35.6 m)
Wingspan: 99 ft 8 in[78] (30.4 m)
Height: 38 ft 8 in[78] (11.8 m)
Wing area: 1300 ft² (120.8 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 0014-1.10 (Root) – NACA 0012-1.10 (Tip)
Empty weight: 77,200 lb (35,000 kg[78])
Loaded weight: 135,000 lb (61,400 kg)
Useful load: 57,800 lb (26,400 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 142,000 lb (64,400 kg[78])
Powerplant: 4[1] × Allison T56-A-14[1] turboprop[1], 4,600 shp[1] (3,700 kW) each
Propellers: Four-bladed Hamilton Standard propeller[1], 1 per engine
Propeller diameter: 13 ft 6 in (4.11 m)

Performance
Maximum speed: 411 kn (750 km/h)
Cruise speed: 328 kn[1] (610 km/h)
Range: 2,380 nmi radius (4,400 km)
Combat radius: 1,346 nmi (2,490 km) three hours on-station at 1,500 feet
Ferry range: 4,830 nmi (8,944 km)
Endurance: 16 hours
Service ceiling: 28,300 ft[1] (8,625 m)
Rate of climb: 3,140 ft/min (16 m/s)
Wing loading: 107 lb/ft² (530 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.136 hp/lb at max gross (0.23 kW/kg)

Armament
Guns: None
Hardpoints: 10 wing stations in total (3x on each wing and 2x on each wing root) and eight internal bomb bay stations with a capacity of 20,000 lb (9,100 kg)[1] and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets: None
Missiles: ***Air-to-surface missile: AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-84 Harpoon, AGM-84 Standoff Land Attack Missile (SLAM-ER)
Bombs: ***Depth charges, Mk 101 Lulu nuclear depth bomb, MK20 Rockeye, MK80 Series (MK82, MK83, MK84) general purpose bombs, B57 nuclear bomb (US service only, retired 1993)
Other: ***Mk 44 (mostly retired from service), Mk 46, Mk 50, Mk 54 or MU90 Impact torpedoes
Mk 25, Mk 39, Mk 55, Mk 56, Mk 60 CAPTOR or Mk 65 Quickstrike naval mines[79]
Stonefish naval mine (in Australian service)
Active and passive Sonobuoys

Avionics
RADAR: Raytheon AN/APS-115 Maritime Surveillance Radar, AN/APS-137D(V)5 Inverse Synthetic Aperture Search Radar
IFF: APX-72, APX-76, APX-118/123 Interrogation Friend or Foe (IFF)[79]
EO/IR: ASX-4 Advanced Imaging Multispectral Sensor (AIMS), ASX-6 Multi-Mode Imaging System (MMIS)
ESM: ALR-66 Radar Warning Receiver, ALR-95(V)2 Specific Emitter Identification/Threat Warning
Hazeltine Corporation AN/ARR-78(V) sonobuoy receiving system
Fighting Electronics Inc AN/ARR-72 sonobuoy receiver
IBM Proteus UYS-1 acoustic processor
AQA-7 directional acoustic frequency analysis and recording sonobuoy indicators
AQH-4 (V) sonar tape recorder
ASQ-81 magnetic anomaly detector (MAD)
ASA-65 magnetic compensator[79]
Lockheed Martin AN/ALQ-78(V) electronic surveillance receiver



Specifications (P-8A)


General characteristics
Crew: Flight: two; Mission: seven
Length: 129 ft 5 in (39.47 m)
Wingspan: 123 ft 6 in (37.64 m)
Height: 42 ft 1 in (12.83 m)
Empty weight: 138,300 lb (62,730 kg)
Useful load: 19,800+ lb (9,000+ kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 189,200 lb (85,820 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × CFM56-7B turbofan, 27,000 lbf (120 kN) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 490 knots (907 km/h, 564 mph)
Cruise speed: 440 kn (815 km/h, 509 mph)
Combat radius: 1,200 nmi (2,222 km) ; 4 hours on station (for anti-submarine warfare mission)
Service ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,496 m)

Armament
5 internal and 6 external stations for AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER, AGM-84 Harpoon, Mark 54 torpedo, missiles, mines, torpedoes, bombs, and a High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon system

Avionics
Raytheon APY-10 multi-mission surface search radar
(Advanced Airborne Sensor surface search radar and SIGINT package to be follow on system

 

Chickenhawks ?

There are more than a few around here who actually been there and done that.

How about you ?

 

At least the Russians know they're lying.

 

Another keyboard commando... figures.

 

Sub Unit One ANGLICO

Lightning from the sky, thunder from the sea.

 

Obama and his supporters are the real enemy, not anyone overseas. Foreigners who humiliate Obama and his supporters are doing good work.

 

Is that a new Foo Fighters song?

 

Ok Commander. Thunder from the nether regions.

 

Rome vs the State Qin.

the Chinese had allways a huge armed force but they allways performed badly, against Mongols, Japanese, Mandschurs... even the Viatnamese (*)(*)(*)(*)ed them in the 70s after they ousted Pol Pot who was allied with China.

 

A dose of reality for the keyboard warriors with and without tshirts...

" ...Earlier this month, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter asked for options for sending U.S. aircraft and ships within 12 nautical miles of the construction. In a May 13 testimony before Congress, Assistant Secretary of Defense David Shear said that the United States planned to station surveillance aircraft and long-range bombers in Australia. (He later claimed to have misspoken, after pushback from Australia.) Rear Admiral Harry Harris, Pacific Fleet Commander, plans to station three additional vessels within patrol range of the Spratly Islands — the archipelago that includes the reefs — to respond to Chinese activity there.

This approach is misguided. Neither Carter, Shear, nor PACFLEET Commander Harris appear to be taking seriously the potential for a violent response from the Chinese. The risk in pushing China too far is great, as China has demonstrated on multiple occasions, when U.S. actions led to dangerous confrontations.

American military planners’ real concern is that the Chinese will use the newly constructed islands — which certainly include a runway large enough to handle military aircraft, and may include facilities to dock military vessels — to extend the scope of their Anti-Access Area Denial (A2AD) strategy. Military installations in the South China Sea would provide platforms for land, air and sea-launched weapon systems sufficient to raise the cost of U.S. military actions in the region to prohibitive levels.... "

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...chinas-artificial-island-building-wont-float/

 

Obama does seem to like to sit on his hands to these emerging issues. They should have started a US backed Philippine land reclamation project there by now if Obama was actually interested in the job he is getting paid for.... instead they just wait till it gets to big a mess to ignore and shovel it to the next Pres.

He deserves a Noble Prize for his peaceful ways such as this and Libya, Syria etc.

 

Let's hope the Chinese give Obama a black eye. It will help discredit him at home.

 

It won't show on him...

 

"Nether" ???

As in "neider" ?

 

Nether regions as in nether regions. It's English.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/nether-regions

 

If the Chinese hit Obama hard enough his black eye will be apparent to everyone. Go China.

 

He tan easily while playing golf...

 

Granny says send one o' dem guided missiles up Xi's butt - dat'll tell him Obama means business...

China: Will Respond to US Ships with All Necessary Means
Oct 29, 2015 -- China's military will take "all necessary" measures in response to any future U.S. Navy incursions into what it considers its territorial waters around islands in the South China Sea, a Defense Ministry spokesman said Thursday.

 

Uncle Ferd says it's prob'ly a dry run so dey can learn how to sneak up on our ships...

Chinese submarine tracked U.S. aircraft carrier off Japan
Thu November 5, 2015 | Washington - An American aircraft carrier was closely tracked by a Chinese submarine off the coast of Japan last month, a U.S. defense official said, in the latest example of the test of wills between the two countries in the waters of the Pacific.