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Jerusalem (AFP) - Amnesty International accused the Islamist movement Hamas Wednesday of committing war crimes against fellow Palestinians to "settle scores" during last year's Gaza war with Israel, executing at least 23 people.

A report by the London-based rights group detailed the "brutal campaign of abductions, torture and unlawful killings against Palestinians accused of 'collaborating' with Israel" by Hamas, de facto ruler of the Gaza Strip enclave.

"In the chaos of the conflict, the de facto Hamas administration granted its security forces free rein to carry out horrific abuses including against people in its custody," Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa director Philip Luther said. "These spine-chilling actions, some of which amount to war crimes, were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip."

A March report by Amnesty found that rockets fired during the war by Gaza militants killed more Palestinians than Israelis.

According to the new Amnesty report, "Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organisation within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces. "Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities," it said.

http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-executed-palestinians-during-israel-war-amnesty-012450438.html

OK, so two questions - were these killed by Hamas counted toward the death toll of Palestinians in order to incriminate Israel in the war? I'm going to say, yes. And secondly, by killing their own Palestinians, suspected in collaboration and other anti-Hamas crimes, Hamas is clearly intimidates their own. So, how can we trust any Gazan being interviewed by the Western media, with death hanging over their every word?

As for "rockets fired during the war by Gaza militants killed more Palestinians than Israelis"...


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So given what you admit is the ineffectiveness of Hamas fizzle rockettes, what justification did the Likud fascists have for their bombardment of Palestinian civilian infrastructure including schools and hospitals that killed thousands during Cast Lead and Protective Edge, if not for the reason of collective punishment and ethnic cleansing?

 

You expect us to just accept these rocket launches ? why would we ?

 

Because international law says so. Disproportionality/collective punishment is illegal.

 

International law says we must accept rocket fire at us ? I dont think so, we can retaliate but need to be moderate - OK, we think it was moderate considering the mess they did to our South.

 

Israel's overwhelming use of military force constitutes collective punishment, which is a war crime. The laws of war, also known as international humanitarian law, are primarily found in the Geneva Conventions. Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, to which Israel is a party, specifically forbids collective punishment. It says, "No protected person [civilian] may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed ... Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited."

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/com/380-600038

Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians constitutes a deliberate policy to punish the entire population of Gaza.

 

I don't think that report is a surprise to anyone but those who believe Israel is a big, bad monster, preying on the helpless little Gazans.

While I feel sorry for innocent Gazans, especially the children, who get caught in the crossfire - the only reason there IS crossfire is because Gazans do not put Hamas in its place.

Hamas, a known terror organization, exists solely to destroy Israel. It was founded in hatred and it will never rise above that founding.

The killing will not stop until peaceful Gazans round up every Hamas member and turn them over to Israel for trial. Or, maybe we could send them to a deserted island where they could hunt and kill one another.

 

You're wrong. It's not collective punishment.

Hamas sends innocents purposefully into the line of fire. Hamas is collectively punishing its own people.

 

It is not regarded as a terrorist organization by Iran, Russia,[25] Norway,[26] Switzerland,[27] Brazil,[28] Turkey,[29] China,[30][31][32][33] and Qatar.[34].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

 

Which means absolutely nothing.

 

You need to keep up to date. Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal indicated to Robert Pastor, senior adviser to the Carter Center, that the Hamas Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant... In fact, the movement has to a certain degree moved on from (the charter's) content simply by participating in the political process, accepting a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders and publicly declaring a readiness to explore political solutions with the international community".[107]

"The question of recognizing Israel is not the jurisdiction of one faction, nor the government, but a decision for the Palestinian people." This was a major shift away from their 1988 charter.[84] A few months later, via University of Maryland's Jerome Segal, the group sent a letter to U.S. President George W. Bush stating they "don't mind having a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders", and asked for direct negotiations: "Segal emphasized that a state within the 1967 borders and a truce for many years could be considered Hamas' de facto recognition of Israel."[85]

In an April 2008 meeting between Hamas leader Khaled Mashal and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, an understanding was reached in which Hamas agreed it would respect the creation of a Palestinian state in the territory seized by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War, provided this were ratified by the Palestinian people in a referendum. Hamas later publicly offered a long-term truce with Israel if Israel agreed to return to its 1967 borders and grant the "right of return" to all Palestinian refugees.[86]

In November 2008, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh re-stated that Hamas was willing to accept a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, and offered Israel a long-term truce "if Israel recognized the Palestinians' national rights".[87] In 2009, in a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Haniyeh repeated his group's support for a two-state settlement based on 1967 borders: "We would never thwart efforts to create an independent Palestinian state with borders [from] June 4, 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital."[88]

On December 1, 2010, Ismail Haniyeh again repeated, "We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees," and "Hamas will respect the results [of a referendum] regardless of whether it differs with its ideology and principles."[89]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

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For ideologues with a partisan agenda like you, I agree.

 

No I'm right. According to international law in which Israel is a signatory, It IS collective punishment.

"For its part, the Government of Israel must take all possible measures to ensure full respect for the principles of distinction, proportionality and precautions in attack, during the conduct of hostilities, as required by international humanitarian law. In all circumstances, they must avoid targeting civilians..... In light of deeply disturbing reports that many of the civilian casualties, including of children, occurred as a result of strikes on homes serious doubt [has been raised] about whether the Israeli strikes have been in accordance with international humanitarian law and international human rights law."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tinue-us-barack-obama-offers-broker-ceasefire

The principle of distinction forbids deliberate attacks on civilians or civilian objects. The proportionality principle forbids disproportionate and excessive civilian casualties compared to the claimed military advantage gained in the attack. Precaution requires that measures be taken in advance to ensure compliance with the principles of distinction and proportionality, to minimize incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects, and requires taking all feasible precautions in the choice of means and methods of warfare.

Israel's overwhelming use of military force constitutes collective punishment, which is a war crime. The laws of war, also known as international humanitarian law, are primarily found in the Geneva Conventions. Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, to which Israel is a party, specifically forbids collective punishment. It says, "No protected person [civilian] may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed ... Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited."

https://www.icrc.org/ihl/com/380-600038

Israel's collective punishment of Palestinians in both Cast Lead and Protective Edge constitute a deliberate policy to punish the entire population of Gaza. Since the Palestinians concluded a unity agreement between Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza in June last year, Israel has stepped up the construction of illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

 

You've just proven my point. Hamas will not be peaceful unless they get the impossible. They will never get the 67 borders, it's too dangerous for Israel. They will never be allowed to have Jerusalem - that's just a ridiculous demand. They will never be allowed the right of return because there is nothing for them to return to and it is, once again, too dangerous for Israel.

You are the one who needs to keep up. Read once again the OP and tell us how compassionate Hamas is to kill Gazans.

The Gazans have to get rid of Hamas. Not just politically - that's "kind of" happened, but they need to make an effort to ban the terrorist group and arrest all members. Hamas and its wayward supporters can claim they no longer follow their charter. Poppycock. Actions speak louder than words.

 

This is <baloney>...

a) There is no <1967 border> ... There is an Armistice line!!!

b) You people took 67 years (jolly good time) to come to this conclusion, so now it is our turn... We will take another 67 years time to decide if we want to accept it... yala yala...

 

You were the one basing your assertions on a 27 year old document, not me.

 

Decent law abiding people reject the Likud fascist concept of Eretz Yisrael.

 

According to your biased interpretation of what transpired, and the interpretations of others who blame Israel, is it only collective punishment.

Time and again, Israel shows that it attacks legitimate targets. If you did some research, you would find that the use of human shields is the real war crime. Hamas purposefully fires rockets from residential homes, schools and hospitals, making them legitimate targets. Hamas has committed the war crimes.

When Hamas stops firing rockets, shooting Israelis and trying to blow themselves up in order to kill innocents - peace will begin.

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And, I was correct - Hamas' actions show they still are following the dictates of the charter.

 

It's not biased, it's Israel breaking laws its a signatory to and the figures prove it. The bombardment and pounding of civilian infrastructure with the latest military technology in which thousands of men, women and children were killed, is not legitimate in any shape or form. The IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields as Goldstone made clear.

 

Nope, your claim that they desire the destruction of Israel is negated by subsequent negotiations predicated on a peaceful resolution which Israel breaks. Bibi admitted that he deliberately scuppered Oslo, for example.

 

Amnesty International investigated a case which occurd in the last operation in Gaza, which was when a rocket killed 11 children, 2 adults and 19 injored people and hit on a hospital atthe Al-Shati refugee camp on July 28.

Hamas at that time, tried to blame Israel for the killing, that was during the Muslim religious holiday Eid ul Fitr.
The investigation was conducted by independent ballistics experts working for Amnesty. The organization wrote in the report that Hamas and the Islamic Jihad and other militant groups are the responsibles for 4,800 rocket attacks and 1,700 mortar strikes, killing six Israeli civilians and 13 Palestinians during the last operation.
Amensty also found that Hamas hid within populated areas including UN schools.

Moreover, before any airstrike that was conducted in the last operation, the Israeli airforce warned the population from future attacks, as Mr. Kaware a resident of Khan Younis said to NYTimes:

Source'1: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/w...25d10aa743a15c
Source'2: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/w...aflet-israeli-attackers-warn-gazans.html?_r=0

When the IDF warned the Gazans, then they allowed them to leave the place until after the attack. A collective punishment happens without any warning, like when NATO forces bombed without any warnings and without any kind of chance to save the lifes of the population in Kosovo

 

Negotiations are one thing - it's the violence Hamas commits that make it clear they are still following the Charter and, despite their lies, will continue to do so.

 

Every Israeli life is precious and deserves to be protected by any and all means available.
Every Palestinian rocket is precious, and deserves to be protected by any and all means available.

[video=youtube;1Gn4b4H1cgQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gn4b4H1cgQ[/video]

 

When these schmucks (I mean, Gaza residents) surround the rocket about to be launched into Israel, they act as a guards of the valuable military munition and therefore may be considered active combatants. Doh

 

Clearly your trite phrase indicates no understanding as to what constitutes proportionality in international law.

 

The disproportionate pounding of Palestinian infrastructure through the use of the latest hi-tech military hardware by the IOF in which thousands of Palestinian civilians have died in response to ineffective fizzle rockettes, is regarded as collective punishment under international law and is illegal.