Ukrainian Government Veering Wrong On Russian Problem!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    The vast majority of people throughout the world are rooting for the country of Ukraine to succeed. For twenty-five plus years Ukrainians lived under the oppression of the Soviet Union and since then the country has struggled with corruption and escaping the control of Russia. It now seems like the Ukrainian people have a real chance to succeed the current political leadership in Ukraine apjpear to be good people that have and are making concrete changes to turn Ukraine into a good and successful country. The unknown is whether Russia through its proxy agent the separatists will succeed in taking control of the eastern part of Ukraine or for that matter the entire country. Ukraine's current government has overall handled the "Russian military intervention in mainland Ukraine" problem very well! They've done their best to militarily defend their country and they've elicited the assistance of the international community to stop this Russian aggression very prudently.

    However, it has recently come to light at least in a recent Wall Street Journal article some very upsetting and disheartening actions by the current Ukrainian government. Reports are that the current Ukrainian government has stopped making pension payments to ordinary Ukrainians permanently living in the separatist controlled eastern provinces, they have blocked the transportation of food and medicine into these separatists areas. The Ukrainian government has instituted a permit or visa requirement for people traveling from the separatist areas into government controlled areas of Ukraine which has triggered a huge corruption problem with people exiting the separatist areas having to pay bribes to secure their exit. This is so short-sighted and unsophisticated thinking on Ukrainian government officials part, they probably think they will make it so hard on ordinary citizens living in the separatist areas that they will leave the separatist areas or work to throw the separatist out both courses weakening the separatists' power. The Ukrainian government needs to permanently reverse all these policy initiatives yesterday!

    This mentality is so foolish on the Ukrainian government's part. The separatists only are able to offer ordinary citizens in the separatist areas a future as part of the Russian Federation which is living under a totalitarian form of government where if ordinary people challenge government authorities they can find themselves in prison or in a worse state and a life in a society where corruption and lack of prosperity abounds. The Ukrainian government wants to offer ordinary citizens in the separatist areas what it offers ordinary citizens in government controlled areas a future of prosperity, non-government corruption and where the government and its laws work for the citizens of Ukraine. This is such a bad decision by the Ukrainian government these policies are driving the population in the separatist areas into the arms of the Russian government as they provide food and medicine for them, exactly what Ukrainian authorities should not want to do!

    The Ukrainian government should keep an optimally wise perspective on this Russian problem, the country of Ukraine's fate rest on military issues. Specifically in part the issue of how much military force Vladimir Putin wants to invest in taking Ukrainian territory which involves the calculation for Mr. Putin of assessing the costs to Mr. Putin personally and the Russian Federation in carrying out such an invasion what are the fissures that will be created and what are the pressures that can be created into these fissures that harm him and his country's well being! Further the issue of what kind of defense Ukrainian government security forces can present against invading separatist forces, the Ukrainian government would be prudent in not relying on needed weapons from NATO. Ms. Merkel and Mr. Obama essentially control that decision and they are so conservative that one could reasonably say that the separatist forces would have to be in plain sight of the city of Kiev before these two will send the needed weapons. The Ukraine government would be wise to rely on buying and building the weapons they need for their defense. They should remember that during the first half of World War II the Allies had battlefield success against the Germans even though the German Army had better planes and tanks than the Allies because the Allies used greater numbers of forces and utilized prudent tactics for the military resources they had!
     
  2. Balancer

    Balancer Well-Known Member

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    While Europe is urging Ukraine to follow the democratic path, status Poroshenko has increased in 7 times:

    http://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2015/05/150526_poroshenko_year_in_business

    This is in the context of war and total impoverishment of ordinary Ukrainians.

    The Governor of Odessa appoint Saakashvili, who at home in Georgia a defendant in a criminal case about corruption and political persecution.

    Saakashvili, a Wanted Man at Home, Lobbies Washington for Arms for Ukraine
    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150226/1018764067.html

    His Deputy Saakashvili appoints his former colleague, who is also wanted in cases of corruption and torture of detainees.
    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/271678.html

    Ukraine today is a country where the Minister for Foreign Affairs makes a selfie in the background of a burning tank farm, ...

    http://avakov.com/arsen-avakov-rabo...lis-bez-soblyudeniya-pravil-bezopasnosti.html

    ... and the extinguishing process to appoint a lead Minister of culture:

    http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/10-06-2015/130938-kiev_fire_acid_rains_europe-0/

    The country in which the mayor of the capital barely connects few words, he "speaks to dead", makes such statements as "I have two deputies, four of which already month lie in the Cabinet. It is impossible to appoint them. I don't know why" (it's not a translation error in the original is the same), encourages residents of Kiev to "prepare to land".

    A country where appointed Chairman of the anti-corruption Committee almost immediately gets caught on a bribe.

    A country where US ready meals meant for Ukraine's military go on Internet sale.

    A country where the Prime Minister speaks about the environment in which it will stop the genocide of peaceful population.

    A country where "terrorists" restore railway... You only ponder the meaning of these headings from Ukrainian sources!
    - In Debaltseve terrorists restored railroad for 12 days
    - Terrorists continue to repair railway tracks between the Donetsk and Lugansk
    And anti-terrorist forces destroy airports, water supply, power supply.

    The country where terrorists are launching children's railway, and anti-terrorists daily shelling civilian neighborhoods..

    The country, which always something to demand from all over the world as if it all must:
    - The Ukrainians demanded an apology from the Scottish premiere of sympathy to Putin
    - "Right Sector" has put forward an ultimatum to EU
    - Ukraine billed Europe: we need 60 billion
    - Poroshenko demanded to deprive Russia of the right of veto in the UN Security Council
    - Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that Kiev would require entry into NATO
    - The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry demands from Moldova, Italy, Cyprus, Malta, Portugal and explanations about the appearance in the Crimea of ships under their flags.
    - Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin demanded NATO security guarantees for his country
    - Lyashko: Germany was guilty and must pay the bills for Ukrainians
    - Peter Poroshenko demanded a date for the abolition of visa regime between Ukraine and EU
    - Yatsenyuk demanded by investors to restructure the debts of Ukraine
    - Ukraine intends to apply for an exclusion of Russia from the ICAO
    - Ukraine seeks compensation for the destroyed Kiev by Mongolia (in the XIII century)
    - Yatsenyuk against the US: You do not have to do that
    - Turchynov: The EU should launch a war for the liberation of Crimea and Donbas
    - Gerashchenko: US intelligence need to take a senator, accusing Azov in nazism
    - Yatseniuk said the need to reform the UN
    - ...
    - ...

    And that was such a country, of course, to blame Russia...
     
  3. mihapiha

    mihapiha Active Member

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    The Ukraine is a fine example of the media's influence over people who don't know whats going on.

    The matter of a fact is still that there are many Russians living in the Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe outside of Russia, and the countries they're living in clearly don't treat them right. If they were treated correctly and fairly they'd not look to Moscow for help.
     

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