'It Is Futile To Send '150,000 U.S. Soldiers' To Defend An Unreformed Iraq

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It's incredible to hear a general in the Obama administration tell the truth like this! As long as most Middle East countries remain tribal in nature, no outsider will ever be able to assist them.

This comes from War News Updates with this link @ http://news.yahoo.com/us-army-chief-futile-send-150-000-soldiers-180626655.html

 

I don't think outsiders like Odierno or Geraldo ever had any intention of assisting either Sunni or Shi'ite in Iraq.

Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, and Iran were slated for overthrow within months of 911.

We opened Pandora's box in Iraq in 2003, and the partisans on both sides have been playing political kick-the-can-down-the-road ever since. Currently, they are desperately trying to take the high ground before 2016, iimho.

"'You've got to understand why this is happening,' Odierno told CBS. 'My thought is we had this in a good place three or four years ago and Iraq was safe, the economy was growing we turned it over to the Iraqi government. I believe it's because the Iraqi government has not been able to bring all the different groups together. Until you solve that problem in my mind it doesn't matter how many people you put on the ground.'"

http://news.yahoo.com/us-army-chief-futile-send-150-000-soldiers-180626655.html

 

We could place a few stratigic advisors, FAC's and FO's in certain places and with massive air power, I mean everything to include B-52's and drive ISIS out of Iraq. But that would not solve the religious factions from fighting each other or tribal warfare and hatred of other tribes for various reasons.

Only a strong man like Saddam who is willing to do whatever it takes to keep Iraq united and under his thumb can succeed.

 

Thousands of Syrians cut through a border fence and crossed over into Turkey on Sunday, fleeing intense fighting in northern Syria between Kurdish fighters and jihadis......

 

If the Obama administration do not find it necessary to eliminate/uproot ISIS with all its branches and tentacles the murder of minorities, and the minorities who managed to escape i.e. Christian, Druze, Yazidis and others will never find their way back home.

Syria and Iraq have become a 'cemetery of unknown', since no one keeps tabs of things. Wherever ISIS has passed through, grass does not seem to grow again... this reminds me of Gengis Khan.

I urge the advocates of the so called Arabs of Palestine to concentrate now on ISIS slaughter, the loss of life, home and properties ... There will be millions of Syrian and Iraqi Refugees that the World would have to take care of now...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark#Book_on_modern_wars

Wesley Clark revealed why today's millions of Muslim refugees will lose their homes in 2003:
"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran.'"

Today's Muslim refugees are being displaced for the same reason 700,000 Arabs were cleansed from Palestine in 1948; western "civilization" values oil more than Moses valued virgins.

 

First, it is not exactly like you describe.
Second, UNRWA had a record of 450,000...
Third, overnight that amount of people was doubled because UNRWA was supplying food and help so... everyone became a refugee.

 

Everyone became a refugee because 650,000 Jews inflicted their state on 1.3 million non-Jews in 1948 Palestine.

"By 1949, about 500 Palestinian villages, towns, and
tribes were depopulated and destroyed and
approximately 711,000 Palestinian refugees, according
to the UN, were dispossessed.(13)

"In 1953, there were 870,000 registered refugees, over
34% of them in refugee camps in Jordan, Syria,
Lebanon, and Egypt. Bureaucratic complications
prevented many refugees from registering with
UNRWA, which suggests that the actual number ofrefugees was larger than those registered. Today, there
are an estimated 7 million Palestinian refugees. There
are 58 registered refugee camps in the West Bank,
Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria"

https://org.salsalabs.com/o/301/images/Nakba1948.pdf

 

What does oil have to do with expulsion carried out during 48 war with Israel never having oil and until recently never any natural gas either with an oil embargo imposed on United States and other countries in 1973 for supporting Israel?

 

This is another one of your prevarications...
Where on earth do you read <oil> in my post? hmmmmmm
What is your aim and goal besides <slandering> Israel? You, yourself do not know I am practically sure.

 

Apparently you missed the day in class when they were explaining this situation.
Israel did NOT and I repeat did Not ask anyone to leave... just the opposite Israel implored the Arabs of Haifa and Nazareth to stay...

7 Million refugees? You get a similar number when you stay a refugee on the dole for 65 years refusing to work or providing for your family, so your kids become refugees.

No one hears about the One Million Jewish refugees from the Arab countries... do you know why?
Because they all work and they happen to be today half the population of Israel.

Your above post does not hold water!!!

 

How many of these minorities are US citizens? If they are not US citizens, why do we care whether they can go home?

Why do we in the US care what happens in Syria or Iraq? And why should we try to help the Iraqi gov't? The same gov't that kicked us out of the country not so very long ago.

Why do you assume the world will have to take care of the refugees? What do we in the US care for Iraqi and Syrian properties? Why should I spend my taxes so some Iraqi can keep his property? For sure he would never part from his property to save mine. Why doesn't Israel fight its own fight instead of urging us to beat up on Israel's enemies? Certainly the gov't there is fascist enough.

 

Your founding father spoke of inclusion and condoned genocide.
Did your history class mention that?

"In his War Diaries in February 1948, Ben-Gurion wrote: 'The war shall give us the land. The concepts of 'ours' and 'not ours' are peace concepts only, and they lose their meaning during war."[28]

"Also later he confirmed this by stating that, 'In the Negev we shall not buy the land. We shall conquer it. You forget that we are at war.'[28]

"Israeli historian Benny Morris has written of the massacres of Palestinian Arabs in 1948, and has stated that Ben-Gurion 'covered up for the officers who did the massacres.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion#Founding_of_Israel

 

There is a BIG difference between demagoguery and reality...
BG was a Socialist and half the country doubted his definitions.
Benny Morris by now has recanted and Deir Yassin was a battle where civilians died.
The Deir Yassin village was situated on the Tel Aviv Jerusalem route and everyone in this village was a sniping soldier on the Jewish supply trucks moving on to Jerusalem.

Arab Refugees of 1948

The Arab states did tell the Arabs of Israel to leave in 1948.
Time Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25:

The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city.... By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa
.
General John Glubb "Pasha," The London Daily Mail, August 12, 1948:
The Arab civilians panicked and fled ignominiously. Villages were frequently abandoned before they were threatened by the progress of war.

Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph September 6, 1948. (same appeared in The London Telegraph, August 1948 ):
The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem.
Source: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/comments/22379

The Arabs left Israel for a number of reasons. A major contributing factor was that a substantial proportion of the Palestinian Arab middle and professional classes emigrated voluntarily with much of their property as soon as it was proposed that a Jewish state should be established in the country.
The overwhelming majority of Arabs fled because they were urged to do so by their leaders. There would have been no refugee problem if leaders of the Arab states had not declared war on Israel and urged their Palestinian kinsmen to evacuate Israel and return after the destruction of the Jewish state
Source: http://wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-cont...l-chapter3.pdf

A book by Barry Shaw he quoted Near East Arabic broadcasting station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949:
It must not forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem.
Haifa district HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1949:
Every effort is been made by the Jews to persuade the Arab Populace to stay and carry their normal lives, to get there shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe.

The Beirut Muslim Weekly "Kul-Shay", August 19, 1949:
Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongt them, did it.

Khaled Al Azam, former Syrian prime minister, wrote in his book:
Since 1948, it's we who have demanded the return of the refugees, while it is we who made them leave. We brought disaster upon a million Arab refugees by inviting them...
Source: https://books.google.co.il/books?id=...201948&f=false
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Yoh Bender – On topic here:
So where do you get these Ultra Nationalist Views ?
Are these guys your friends ? - I mean like, do you know these guys ?

The Rise and Rise of Israeli Ultra-Nationalists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cBggyGOt6U

[video=youtube;5cBggyGOt6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cBggyGOt6U[/video]

 

"The coastal city of Jaffa, with its port and close proximity to Jerusalem, has served as an important settlement since the Bronze Age. In 1948 the city, world famous for its orange exports, was home to around 70,000 Palestinians. But after the 1948 Nakba, and decades of demolition and impoverishment, one of historic Palestine&#8217;s most important cities is unrecognizable&#8212;crumbling in the shadow of Tel Aviv.

"While the vast majority of urban Palestinians were exiled outside the new state of Israel, in the aftermath of the May 1948 occupation of Jaffa, as happened in other cities such as Haifa, Lydda and Acre, the small number of Palestinians who remained were forced into one neighborhood. Under Israel&#8217;s military rule of its Arab population (1948-1966) such neighborhoods effectively served as ghettos.

"In Jaffa, 4,000 Palestinians&#8212;a mixture of original inhabitants and refugees from surrounding villages&#8212;were gathered in the southern Ajami neighborhood while their houses in other parts of the city, or the surrounding villages, were occupied or destroyed. In June 1948 Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion wrote in his diary: 'Jaffa will be a Jewish city. War is war.&#8221;' Less than a year later he reported to the Israeli parliament that 45,000 new Jewish immigrants had been settled in the city&#8217;s 'abandoned&#8221;' homes."

http://www.wrmea.org/2008-july/the-nakba-continues-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-jaffas-ajami-neighborhood.html

 

Yes, the Arabs declared an ethnic war on the Jews and lost it, what's the question ?

 

He didn't say anything about "genocide" that's your BDS flier talking here, he talked about war because he was in a war your side declared on us...

He talked about land because that was what your side fought for when they declared a war on us,

Your side declared war, fought all it could - and LOST, YOU LOST, 70 YEARS AGO ! - GET THE (*)(*)(*)(*) OVER IT !.

Benny Morris also talked about Arabs massacres the Jews, many deaths all around, Kfar Ezion and Dir Yasin and others, terror and organized armies, that was an ethnic war in 1948, I lived to see other ethnic wars in Europe since and it wasn't that civilized as your posture right here so slow down with the criticism

 

Was that "ethnic war" before or after 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many no-Jews?

 

European Zionists declared war on Palestine from at least the time of the Second Aliyah. Since indigenous Palestinians were unlikely to hand over their property to recent European immigrants, Zionist leaders like Ben-Gurion and his consultancy group planned systematic expulsions of 500 Arab villages in order to create a Jewish state from an Arab majority.

 

So now you don't care about the UN resolutions - but we are suppose to right ?, it wasn't their business how many Jews decided to come just as it wasn't Jewish business how many Arabs came - and they did, it wasn't an Arab country their majority can only mean something where they live.

 

BS, the 2nd Aliya was between 1904-1914 ,you say the Ottomans allowed Jews to conquer Arab villages ? you got proof to this fantastic story I suppose ?

 

Since you're the one who fabricated the story, I'll leave that to you. The Second Aliya delivered a cohort of Jews to Palestine who had no intention of sharing the land or the labor with indigenous Palestinians

"The Second Aliyah began in 1904 and continued until 1914. The second Aliyah was made up of young idealist immigrants from Russia and Poland. The Kishinev Pogrom spurred many to leave Europe; the newly founded Zionist organization focused many of potential emigrants on Palestine as a destination. The immigrants were idealistic and most were socialist. They believed in the power of Jewish labor to transform the country. While the immigrants from the first Aliya had employed Arabs at their farms, the members of the second believed in Jewish work."

http://www.historycentral.com/Israel/1904SecondAliya.html

 

UN resolutions were supposed to concern themselves with the principle of self-determination which would have made it difficult for 650,000 Jews to inflict their state on 1.3 million Muslims in 1948 Palestine.

"In 1941 Allies of World War II signed the Atlantic Charter and accepted the principle of self-determination. In January 1942 twenty-six states signed the Declaration by United Nations, which accepted those principles. The ratification of the United Nations Charter in 1945 at the end of World War II placed the right of self-determination into the framework of international law and diplomacy.
Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 states that purpose of the UN Charter is: 'To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace. '[22]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination#The_UN_Charter

 

Sorry things are still mixed up in your mind.
There was no <independent Nation of Palestine> there was an Ottoman Empire from 1517 -1917 then there was a British Mandate from 1917 -1948 in this area and the Brits allowed the Jews to <reconstitute their country>... Exactly like it was done in the Mandate for Mesopotamia <Iraq>...