Islam is a religion of Peace???

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  1. HBendor

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    Islam is a religion of Peace???

    First and foremost the translation of the Arabic word <Islam> is <surrender>... Think about the psychological effect on human.

    Thus <Islam> is not Peace but rather <surrender>...

    From the Koran
    (Please check and verify if the translation is correct...) I find it to be absolutely correct!!!

    Thou shall Rape, Marry, and Divorce Pre-pubescent Girls. Koran 65:4

    2. Thou shall have Sex Slaves and Work Slaves. Koran 4:3, 4:24, 5:89, 33:50, 58:3, 70:30

    3. Thou shall Beat Sex Slaves, Work Slaves, and Wives. Koran 4:34

    4. Thou shall have 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove rape. Koran 24:13

    5. Thou shall Kill those who insult Islam or Mohammed. Koran 33:57

    6. Thou shall Crucify and Amputate non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4

    7. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims to guarantee receiving 72 virgins in heaven. Koran 9:111

    8. Thou shall Kill anyone who leaves Islam. Koran 2:217, 4:89

    9. Thou shall Behead non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 47:4

    10. Thou shall Kill AND be Killed for Islamic Allah. Koran 9:5

    11. Thou shall Terrorize non-Muslims. Koran 8:12, 8:60

    12. Thou shall Steal and Rob from non-Muslims. Koran Chapter 8 (Booty/Spoils of War)

    13. Thou shall Lie to Strengthen Islam. Koran 3:28, 16:106

    14. Thou shall Fight non-Muslims even if you don't want to. Koran 2:216

    15. Thou shall not take non-Muslims as friends. Koran 5:51

    16. Thou shall Call non-Muslims Pigs and Apes. Koran 5:60, 7:166, 16:106

    17. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as the vilest creatures deserving no mercy. Koran 98:6

    18. Thou shall Treat non-Muslims as sworn enemies. Koran 4:101

    19. Thou shall Kill non-Muslims for not converting to Islam. Koran 9:29

    20. Thou shall Extort non-Muslims to keep Islam strong. Koran 9:29
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and the Bible says:

    -Thou shall kill children who curse their parents.

    -Thou shall kill Jews who turn to worshipping idols.

    -Thou shall kill homosexuals.

    -Thou shall kill the enemies of Israel, up to the 5th generation of their descendants.

    -Thou shall kill those who commit incest.

    -Thou shall kill those who try to convince others to worship idols.

    -Thou shall kill those who violate the Sabbath.

    -Thou shall kill a false prophet.



    does that mean Judaism and Islam are the same?

    and btw, Islam doesn't mean "surrender". It means "submit". Its not the same thing.
     
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    Islam doesn't mean surrender, it means submit, as in submit to the will of Allah. That's not a bad thing, it's about submitting yourself to a god who will look after your soul, give it meaning when none exists otherwise.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    indeed, just as Judaism is all about submitting and obeying God's will.
     
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    Almost seems like all religions ask for submission to God.
     
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    It's easy to make a list of negatives, but how about being objective by also making a list of 20 positive quotes? Just about any religion can be cherry picked for its negatives and its positives. Objectivity is in seeing both sides, bias focuses only on one side to the exclusion of the other.
     
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    Noooooooooo, it was not easy to make a list of negatives, it was a tedious and unrewarding job.

    In Islam[edit]
    One of the meanings of the word "Islam" is surrender.[5] Islam means surrendering or submitting your will to God.

    This means that all other responsibilities of life are removed and are replaced with the singular aim of living your life in accordance to God's will.[6] Every single action in a Muslim's life, whether marriage or building one's career should theoretically be for the sake of God.

    Yessssssssssssssssssssss for the sake of God <Allah>... why then this sect/religion run away with murdering more than One Hundred thousand of their own in the name of the same God = Allah?

    I do not want to be argumentative but Islam in the 21st Century has shown a relentless will to kill for a simple deviation. These people in Iraq and Syria do not take prisoners they just kill them, machine gun them or decapitate them... If this is for the same God = Allah then take me off the bus at the next station.
     
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    Islam isn't alone in this, we can look at the Central African Republic where Christians are slaughtering Muslims (and vice versa) or Myanmar where Buddhists are doing it. Or South America where Catholic priests risked excommunication to lead bloody revolutions in their perceived pursuit of justice. Or the period in Ireland from the 60s to the 90s known as The Troubles.

    There are also plenty of examples of completely non religiously motivated acts of brutality in the last century (Eastern Europe, I'm looking at you.)

    The situation in the ME is one of poorly managed territorial division following the fall of the Ottoman Empire, where nations were formed based on geographical divides, rather than cultural/ ethnic ones. The religious orientation of the population is a coincidence, not the cause.
     
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    The Five Pillars of Islam are Declaration of Faith, Prayer, Fasting, Pilgrimage, and Charity. That's it. Do those five things and you get to consider yourself a good Muslim, the rest is just details. Jihad is considered by some to be the unofficial 6th Pillar and is divided into the Lesser Jihad, defending Islam against it's enemies, and the Greater Jihad, resisting the temptations of the world.
     
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    But only Islam has as a principle belief the killing of non-muslims, and the mandatory killing of apostates. People have killed and waged war under the excuse of Christianity or Buddhism, but not because those religions explicitly required it. Islam is different, it was born in war and is steeped in war, slavery, and brutality.
     
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    Your comment reminds me this video:
    [video=youtube;3GUPB97CldI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GUPB97CldI[/video]
     
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    What does he say the Koran says? I'm having trouble hearing him.
     
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    He says that the Quran in Surah 9 verse 29 doesnt say:
    Source: http://quran.com/9/29

    Or basically that this verse doesnt preach violence against non-believers. Which after he checked this verse, he discovered that this verse does preach violance against other people.
     
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    Yes, it is, very much so. No need to confuse Islam with radical Islam.
     
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    Are you shocked by a religion that makes man a slave to the will of a God? Christianity comes to my mind as another religion like that and I am betting most deity based religions have a common theme of humanity having submit to the will of God/s.

    And Christianity is the past has a history of subjugation of unbelievers and violence yet this does not represent Christianity as a whole. The extreme does not represent the whole... to believe otherwise is illogical by my measure of logic.
     
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    I would agree with you even vehemently, as long as you are not going to be the next victim of these loony kazoonies murderers and cutthroats.
     
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    Jews don't:

    1) fly commercial passenger planes into office buildings
    2) butcher 20 boys for watching a soccer game on TV
    3) kill dozens of women and young girls for refusing to have sex with soldiers

    Judaism > Islam ... and it's not even close
     
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    no, but they do sometimes firebomb Muslim homes and burn children to death.

    just happened last week.
     
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    You are something else trying to inculpate Judaism for the criminal behavior of a couple of degenerate kids.
     
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    It is what the Jew bible tells them.
    After all the Jew bible approves genocide to have a Jew nation.
     
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    Throw dirt enough, and some will stick


    these entries are deficient, you cannot interpret koran or other religious texts in this way. for hermeneutic, you need landing reasons of versicles and whole versicle but some of these quotes are even not whole versicle, just one part of it.

    you accused religion by using versicles more than 30 and probably you thought know islamic hermeneutic (tefsir), but you are wrong.

    If you are honest at understanding koran, pls read koran or its comments from original resources not from orientalist one.
     
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    Throw bombast and perhaps some might stick.
    The substantiation and illustration of the Qur'an is well depicted in Iraq and Syria today and BTW I read and speak Arabic fluently... Go find another to tackle with, you are barking the wrong tree friend.
     

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