"Israeli Christian group challenges BDS with new guide"

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  1. Thunderbolt

    Thunderbolt Active Member

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    I am deeply grateful to the Christian (and Moslem and non-monotheist and atheist) Gentile supporters of Israel.
     
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    I read about father Gabriel Naddaf..
    Woowww ... the guy is a hero to me.

    In the near future, Europe will open it's eyes and discover that Blaaaahhhhh DS are a terror propaganda lies organization.
    Period.
     
  3. HBendor

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    In response to the above... allow me to post a response from ZOA

    Zionist Organization of America
    News Release

    ZOA Analysis Shows "340 Rabbis For Iran Deal" Are From Groups Hostile to
    Israel, Including J Street (Which Works With Apparent Iranian Regime Group
    NIAC), BDS Group "Jewish Voice for Peace," and Israel-Bashing "Rabbis for
    Human Rights"

    94% of U.S. Rabbis Did NOT Sign Pro-Iran Deal Statement, While American Jews
    Oppose Deal by 2-1, Israelis 7-1, and All Americans by 2-1


    NEW YORK, August, 18, 2015 -- The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA)'s
    analysis shows that the overwhelming majority of the "340 Rabbis for Iran
    Deal" come from groups that routinely take positions and engage in
    activities that are hostile towards Israel and inimical to American
    interests. The "340 Rabbis for Iran Deal" are a small fringe group. There
    are over 5,000 Rabbis in the United States. In other words, 94% of American
    Rabbis did not sign the statement supporting the Iran deal.

    The majority of the Iran Deal Rabbis come from the Soros-funded J Street.
    (George Soros is a self-described anti-Zionist billionaire.) Liberal
    Professor Alan Dershowitz explained that J Street "always seems to be taking
    positions that are anti-Israel." J Street U's new student board president is
    an anti-Israel Muslim.

    J Street has financial and other ties to the National Iranian American
    Council (NIAC), an apparent arm of the Iranian regime. Dissident journalist
    Hassan Daioleslam revealed that NIAC serves as a lobbying group for Iran,
    and that NIAC's president and founder, Trita Parsi, has a long-term close
    relationship with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. J Street's
    financial filings revealed that J Street's initial funders included NIAC
    board member Genevieve Lynch. J Street's first national conference held an
    Iran panel with NIAC head Trita Parsi and Iran apologist Hillary Mann
    Leverett, who insisted that no sanctions be placed on Iran. At the J Street
    event, Leverett also condemned anyone who did not trust the Iranian regime
    as "reinforcing stereotypes of Iranian duplicitousness" and asserted that
    such "stereotypes" of Iran's Mullahs were "fundamentally racist." Leverett
    also compared Iran's mullahs to Israeli rabbis. See Trouble on J-Street, by
    James Kirchick.

    J-Street has a long history of supporting the Iran regime's interests over
    those of America and Israel. For instance, J Street lobbied Congresspersons
    to simply "believe in Iran" - despite the Iranian regime's responsibility
    for murdering hundreds of Americans, Israelis and others, and history of
    undeclared sites for carrying on its nuclear weapons program. Former
    Congressman Allen West, who noted that J-Street was a "Pro-Palestinian
    Jewish organization," related that J-Street told him that he should just
    "believe in Iran."

    In addition, several months ago, J Street ran and touted a phony poll to
    falsely claim that Jews support the Iran deal. The poll asked about a
    hypothetical Iran deal that would only give Iran "modest relief from
    sanctions," and that would only reduce sanctions gradually as Iran met
    compliance benchmarks, in exchange for enrichment restrictions to civilian
    use and full time inspectors at Iran's nuclear facilities "to make sure Iran
    is not developing nuclear weapons." This loaded polling question is a far
    cry from the actual Iran deal, which gives hundreds of billions of dollars
    of sanctions relief and economic windfalls to Iran, allows enrichment in
    excess of the amounts needed for civilian use, and delays and places all
    sorts of roadblocks in the way of obtaining inspections of Iran's undeclared
    nuclear activities. In addition, no Americans are allowed to inspect
    Iranian facilities, and inspectors must first be approved by Iran officials
    before they can even enter Iran.

    Moreover, Ameinu (which is the group promoting the "340 Rabbis for Iran
    Deal") is closely tied to J Street. Ameinu appears to be serving as a front
    group for J Street here - since J Street has been so discredited. Ameinu
    National President Kenneth Bob doubles as J Street's Treasurer. Ameinu
    Vice President and Executive Committee Chair Judith Gelman is a member of J
    Street's Montgomery County, MD steering committee. Ameinu and J Street
    recently ran together on the same election slate.

    Other "340 Iran Deal Rabbis" include a board member of Jewish Voice for
    Peace (JVP). JVP is featured on the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) list of
    the "Top 10 Anti-Israel Groups in America," and actively promotes
    anti-Israel boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS).

    The Iran Deal Rabbis also include over a dozen significant contributors to
    the so-called "Rabbis for Human Rights" (RHR). RHR participates in
    anti-Israel demonstrations and, along with other anti-Israel groups,
    launched a website with false testimonies accusing Israel of human rights
    violations in Gaza. ZOA members witnessed an RHR Rabbi invent and widely
    publish false stories to demonize pro-Israel young people at the Israel Day
    Parade Concert in New York several years ago.

    ZOA's comparison of the names and locations on the 340 "Rabbis for Iran
    Deal" list with lists published on the websites of hostile-to-Israel groups
    showed the following:

    187 (the majority) of the Iran Deal Rabbis are members of the "J Street
    Rabbinic Cabinet."

    12 of the Iran Deal Rabbis are members of the "J Street Rabbinic Cabinet
    Executive Council"

    The Iran Deal Rabbis also include 2 (out of 3) of the J Street cabinet's
    co-chairs

    13 of the Iran Deal Rabbis are significant donors to the falsehood-purveying
    "Rabbis for Human Rights."

    Iran Deal Rabbi Linda Holtzman is on the Board of Directors of the
    anti-Israel BDS group, "Jewish Voice for Peace." Rabbi Holtzman is known
    as a "pioneer lesbian Rabbi." As a homosexual, she should be the first to
    condemn Iran's horrendous human rights record, which includes Iran's brutal
    executions of hundreds of innocent individuals for the sole reason that they
    are gay. Incredibly, she is fostering a deal that will give the Iranian
    regime hundreds of billions of dollars to continue its brutal oppression of
    gays and minorities.

    Iran Deal Rabbi Arthur Waskow states that the people at the Council on
    American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) are "people I trust and admire and
    respect." CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation
    case (the case against groups that sent funding to Hamas). CAIR is also
    among the top groups that ADL has frequently condemned for its anti-Israel
    activities.

    ZOA President Morton A. Klein stated:

    "The Rabbis signing the Ameinu letter do not in any way represent the
    viewpoint of American Rabbis. To only be able to get 6% of U.S. rabbis to
    sign this statement supporting the catastrophic Iran deal clearly indicates
    that Rabbinic leaders are deeply concerned about the Iran nuclear deal.
    This is especially true when 75% of American Jews voted for President Obama.
    More importantly, reliable polls show tremendous opposition to the Iran
    deal. The Quinnipiac poll shows that Americans oppose this dangerous deal
    by a margin of 2 to 1, and the Israel Project poll shows that American Jews
    also oppose the Iran deal by the same 2 to 1 margin. In addition, a poll
    conducted this week by Israel's Channel 10, reported in the liberal Israeli
    newspaper Haaretz, shows that Israelis oppose the Iran deal by a margin of 7
    to 1."

    "Almost every major Jewish and pro-Israel group strongly opposes this
    disastrous Iran deal. These major groups opposed to the Iran deal include:
    the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC); the Anti-Defamation
    League (ADL); the Zionist Organization of America; the American Jewish
    Committee; the American Jewish Congress; B'nai Brith; Christians United for
    Israel (CUFI); the Orthodox Union; over 100 organizations who are members of
    the StopIranRally.org Coalition; and Jewish Federations across the country
    including in Los Angeles, Boston, Miami, Houston, Phoenix, Chicago, New
    York, and many more."

    About the ZOA
    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) is the oldest and one of the
    largest pro-Israel organizations in the United States. With offices around
    the country and in Israel, the ZOA educates the public, elected officials,
    the media, and college/high school students about the truth of the ongoing
    Arab war against Israel. The ZOA works to strengthen U.S.- Israel relations
    through educational activities, public affairs programs and our work on
    Capitol Hill, and to combat anti-Semitism and anti-Israel bias in the media,
    in textbooks, in schools and on college campuses. Under the leadership of
    such presidents as Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Rabbi Abba Hillel
    Silver, and current President Morton A. Klein, the ZOA has been - and
    continues to be - on the front lines of Jewish activism. www.zoa.org. For
    more information contact Mort Klein 212-481-1500.
    ________________________________________
    IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
     
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    I haven't looked into why this Christian appears to be going against his own and opening up the possibility of sectarian problems within the Palestinian community - something which they have avoided since the creation of Israel due to their shared history as people of the land.

    I do understand that Israel has always been concerned about Christian approval and that of course Christian Zionists have been their greatest supporters and losing them or a growing support for BDS among Christians is indeed a great fear among Israelis and rightly so as the effect of the support from the Church worldwide against apartheid in South Africa cannot be overlooked.

    Thunderbolts link says
    He will be aware that the Church of Scotland takes a great deal of responsibility for creating the erroneous biblical interpretations used by Zionists, not least Christian Zionists and after receiving pleas for help from Palestinian Christians published it's Inheritance of Abraham to try to correct this.

    Hopefully Palestinian Christians who have come under this man's spell will read that and not be led astray.

    Regarding Israel and Iran the prime supporter for this is in the US Christian, not Jewish
    and Republican making the issue of Israel more likely to be a party issue in the future.

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=74053

    As polls linked to that article shows support for Israel in the US among Christians is getting smaller particularly among the young and educated.



    Britain' Foreign Minister a normal sap for Israel as are all our Eton Government points out that Israel's intention is to keep hostilities with Iran regardless of any possible resolution. Nothing would have been good enough for them.

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=74035

    Lastly regarding America Jewish organisations particularly J Street as it has always been as supportive of Israel as it possibly can be, Israel is a fool not to listen to her own who are telling her how far she is off track. Israel will end up with only the support of the US Jewish establishment, similar to the situation which is arising in the UK. Then eventually they will either give up being Jews or stop the establishment from creating a stance in their name which does not go with the their history and the values of Judiasm (obviously Judaism here is not the religious/ nationalist fundamental Judaism which is becoming strong in Israel)
     
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    Nothing new, actually.
    Remember the fake "Holocaust survivors" smearing Elie Wiesel due to his support for Israel.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A word of caution

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    Blumenthal, the guy who trolls in men's rooms and writes a book using Goodwin's Law without even having a discussion.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You clearly are the person here trolling with no argument or knowledge of situations raised.

    http://www.thenation.com/authors/max-blumenthal/
     
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    Clearly you don't know much about him nor have you even glanced at his latest book 'Goliath.'

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