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  1. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    between Jews in the 1920s, 30s and 40s and Jews today? How about the #1 rated army in the world and 200+ nuclear weapons. Do you suppose those could be a difference?

    Nobody is going to be leading the Jews to the oven doors. Huckabee is such an ass.
     
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    Not that I'm a fanboy of Israel, or Jews, but to play Devil's advocate... how long do you think Israel will last in that region of the world without strong allies? Their military and arsenal is simply not enough in the event that the right coalition decides to be resolute against Israel. What's to prevent this situation from arising without Israel rolling over on it's back and surrendering?
     
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    True. With enough resolve, a large combination of opposing forces would normally cripple any smaller nation, even with advancements such as Israels. They would eventually be "overrun" if enough was thrown at them.

    But that could happen right now. I'm sure allies would send reinforcements.... but even if there were no allies.... In practical terms, all other ME nations would probably have to resolve all current disputes (with whoever), come together in a consensus, and attempt a surprise attack (maybe). I really can't see that happening.

    The early wars, when Israel was established, had limited effect. I only see less effect now.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And Israel has strong allies, so there isn't much a concern there.

    And Israel will NEVER roll over on its back and surrender. something about the phrase "never again" being burned into the jewish psyche.
     
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    One 100 kiloton nuclear weapon detonating above Tel Aviv and Israel effectively ceases to exist.
     
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    I don't think the Arabs have much interest in overrunning Israel... particularly the GCC countries. They are pretty busy moving into modernity.
     
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    The first nuke launched against Israel would mean the end of existence for the nation that launched it. Nah, Israel is going to fall from within.
     
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    I think Israel has a large interest in spreading chaos throughout the Arab world. The Israelis know they can't conquer and hold, so they want to be able to destabilize under their nuclear umbrella.
     
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    And they're supposed interest in spreading chaos comes from what far off plain of existence? You joking with that B.S.?

    Glad to know you support the annihilation of the the smartest and biggest contributors to this world, considering how few of us their are. Right to the Nazi category with you.
     
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    I suppose you're expecting the Israelis to come out and say they didn't get EXACTLY what they wanted out of the Iraq Invasion? :roflol:

    And you're going to tell me they didn't have center stage in the implementation of the Iraq Invasion.:roflol:

    You must think Americans are really, really, stupid.
     
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    And every Middle Eastern city with a population larger than 100,000 disappears a few minutes later.
     
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    A) It won't happen. No matter what you think about Israel, they don't commit genocide.

    B) How will that help the nation of Israel in the least?
     
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    If the Nation of Israel doesn't exist as you say, what do the commanders of the missile silos at Palmachim (whose families live in Tel Aviv, being that Palmachim is a suburb) have to lose by making sure no Arab nation survives either?
     
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    I don't know those missile silo commanders have any authority or ability to launch their missiles.

    American ICBM command center crews cannot launch their missiles no matter what they think or know.
     
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    At first, I was going to post that Huckabee lost the argument as a result of a Godwin's law violation for making innappropriate Nazi references. But are Huckabee's references innappropriate? let us look into it a little further. During the course of history, there have been three nations that have vowed the total destruction of the Jewish people; the Phillistines, the German Nazis and present day Iran. Just last week, Ayatolah Khameini gave a speech entitled 'Death to America, Death to Israel'. The Phillistines lacked the might to destroy Israel. The Nazis gave it a good go at exterminating Judaism but ran out of time and resources, and the Iranians now have the tools, resources and will to finish the job, thanks to Obama's Iranian deal. So a Nazi reference by

    History teaches us that those who have made vows to eradicate the Jewish people should and ought to be taken seriously. Are the iranians going to act on their threats? Who knows? A nuclear armed theocracy is a completely new experience for the world, but theocracies in the past have not had a stellar record in the rational and sane department. One can think of the Catholic Spanish inquisitions which rationalized the eradication of entire tribes of South Americans and Central Americans in their effort to cleanse the earth for the coming of the new messiah. Of course, the Iranian theocracy has claimed as one of their goals the eradication of the Jewish people to cleanse the way for the 12th Imam of the 12th Imam, so if histary gives us any lessons on the subject it would be that theocracies have never been shy about genocide for religious reasons, in general, and threats against the Jewish people should be taken serious, in particular.

    So is Huckabee correct that this deal will lead Jews to the oven doors? History says Huckabee may very well be 100% correct. So does Huckabee lose the discussion because of a Godwin's Law violation? No. It isn't an innappropriate reference. And we can always listen to the words of the Iranian Government. "Now that the Israelis are in one place, it will be much easier to exterminate them."
     
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    Yes they can. That's not how PALs work. The commander at the missile base at the very least would have launch authority should the government be decapitated.

    Not unlike nuclear missile sub commanders.
     
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    Nuclear missile sub commanders can do so because they have a crew of over 100 with dozens of technical specialists who have direct access to the actual missile hardware.

    In the U.S. the two men in an ICBM control center have neither.
     
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    I'm talking about the Israeli base, which is located in an area about the size of Manhattan, as opposed to US missile fields which sprawl across multiple states.

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    I'm talking about the Israeli base, which is located in an area about the size of Manhattan, as opposed to US missile fields which sprawl across multiple states.
     
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    Do Israeli officers at launch control centers have direct access to the nuclear missiles? Do they have the technical skills to bypass safeguards and launch them on their own in a timely manner?
     
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    For some reason the anti semites think if Iran dumps a nuke on Israel that the U.S. won't get involved. It will be a dog whistle for Russia and China to be "peacekeepers" and intervene by moving in keeping the oil fields safe while siphoning as much as they can as fast as they can.. I hope you don't have any kids or grand kids of draftable age.
     
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    Dem Iranians would need like.500x more centerfuges..
    plus people that knew what they were doing.
    Iranian people are not out to get Israel.
    the government..I cannot speak for.
     
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    The governments the one in charge.

    And we're talking about 1945 level technology. I'm sure that the Iranians can manage that.
     
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    Egypt's President Mubarak use to be a strong ally to Israel until Obama threw Mubarak under the bus. Today there's no friendlies on Israels south western flank.

    The Islamist radicals including the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Iran and the Taliban all put out a big "thank you" to Obama.
     
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    bah..I can't find it..but a credible source I read said Iran can manufacture about a 7-megaton bomb currently
    That's far from 100..quite far.
    Oh,you said "kiloton" so..idk there..
    Does 7 megatons = 100 kilotons?
    1 ton = 2000 lbs
    i would guess a kiloton would be 22000 lbs? maybe?
    1000 X 2.2=..
    I'm American.
    ok,so a "megaton" is equal to 1 million pounds of TNT.
    7 million pounds of dynamite..that's a pretty good good wallop.
    Not sure if equal to 100 kilotons.
    What I read said Iran could produce something 7 megatons immediately.
    smaller than what US dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
    not much, though.
     
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    100 kilotons is 0.1 megatons.

    http://www.unitconversion.org/energy/kilotons-to-megatons-conversion.html
     

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