F. Four 2015 Johnny Storm a black man?

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    What is the reason or story behind the new FF with Johnny Storm being a black man while his sister Sue Storm a blonde white woman? The original FF have both as white people in the 2015 did Marvel changed the story by having Sue and Johnny's parents be a White and African American is this the reason why Sue is white and Johnny black?
     
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    Why not? It doesn't change the story.
     
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    It shouldn't been The Thing who became the token black
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    It changes the originality this mean that today's story line will be based on today's 2015 start # 1 not based on original 1961.

    Today's FF is geared towards the new generation not the past. This would mean that either Johnny or Sue one of them is an adapted child or their parents are mixed race.
    Baby boomers like me should erased and through away the original comics then.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Nick Fury has been change to an African American, James West of Wild Wild West has been change to an African American. I don't think they'll change the Hulk or the Thing into an African American.
    Has race become such a big issue that literature or classic comics characters need to be changed?
    IMO if they want to use African American as Nick Fury it is best to killed off the original Nick Fury character and bring in a new character this way there will be continuity of classic story.
     
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    Nick Fury was reimagined as Black in a totally separate comic book line, another comic's "universe" as it were. But unless they've actually done something clever, it's pretty damn odd to have a brother and sister where one is white and the other is black. I mean, what's the point? Why not make both of them black in that case?
     
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    I agree that is why Marvel should just start writing a new edition and let the general public know too bad the original FF characters can not sue Marvel for changing the context of the FF characters :(

    One thing I notice DC characters tend to retain the original racial characteristics of the heroes such as Superman, Batman, Robin, Flash, Wonder Woman, Super Girl, Green Archer, and Green Lantern are all Caucasians but not Marvel comics.
     
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    They had already had changed the story since the original story had them gain their powers while testing an experimental rocket, while in the new movie they gain their powers through some sort of interdimensional travel machine (from what I gather from the trailers) and in the first Fantastic Four movie, Dr. Doom had superpowers, which of course is NOT in the comics (he is an evil genius in powered armor). Besides, none of the comic movies follow cannon so if we can have a Spiderman who shoots webs without webshooters or a Bucky Barnes who was not a sidekick, we can have a African-American Johnny Storm.
     
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    The dude who plays Johnny Storm was Vince on Friday Night Lights and he's a good actor. I have no doubt that he'll be better than Chris Evans who was the last one.
     
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    Please do, that will make mine more valuable, and the bottom fell out of that market 30 years ago.
     
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    As there are so few Blacks in history worthy of praise---even imaginary heroes must be altered to appease the PC community---and Hollywood is as liberal as it gets.

    The same thing has been done with ancient Egyptians and other African Leaders---taking black ink and making them Black.

    Budweiser even made silly historical advertisments imagining Hannibal being Black

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/05/this-buds-not-for-you-budweiser-has.html

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    The Carthagenians were actually lilly white.
     
  12. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    No doubt he is a good actor IMO they can't use Chris Evan because he is very successful as Captain America I am sure that there will be a movie teaming up the FF with CA.

    Marvel should just start writing a whole new edition of the FF and archived the old edition the new edition that include a short story of Susan and Johnny's family showing or letting readers know why Sue is white and Johnny is black and set the new edition date sometime 2012 year edition # 1.

    In Captain America it started in WWII continue on to present so they can't use a black man to be CA.
    How about Nick Fury, Fury in its original edition is set in WW II he would be a white person the movie did not explain how Nick Fury who was supposed to be a WWII soldier (Sgt. Fury and the Howling Commandos) survived like Captain America to the present and become a black man?
     
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    Ancient Carthaginians would probably their skin color would be brown and or dark.
    Comics Marvel and DC were written as fantasy nothing to do with skin color the super heroes were white because of how the comic stories were based on which a white dominant America. Later on Marvel will include black such as the Black Panther the problem was that Marvel started to use comic as a tool for political statement

    Marvel editor-writer Lee and freelance artist-writer Jack Kirby's Fantastic Four originated in a Cold War culture that led their creators to revise the superhero conventions of previous eras to better reflect the psychological spirit of their age.[29] Eschewing such comic book tropes as secret identities and even costumes at first, having a monster as one of the heroes, and having its characters bicker and complain in what was later called a "superheroes in the real world" approach, the series represented a change that proved to be a great success.[30] Marvel began publishing further superhero titles featuring such heroes and antiheroes as the Hulk, Spider-Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Iron Man, the X-Men, Daredevil, and the Silver Surfer, and such memorable antagonists as Doctor Doom, Magneto, Galactus, Loki, the Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus, all existing in a shared reality known as the Marvel Universe, with locations that mirror real-life cities such as New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

    In the world of [rival DC Comics'] Superman comic books, communism did not exist. Superman rarely crossed national borders or involved himself in political disputes.[33] From 1962 to 1965, there were more communists [in Marvel Comics] than on the subscription list of Pravda. Communist agents attack Ant-Man in his laboratory, red henchmen jump the Fantastic Four on the moon, and Viet Cong guerrillas take potshots at Iron Man


    Marvel is known to write comics that have some form of continuity and to have that continuity suddenly distorted leave fans confused :(
     
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    The ancient Carthaginans would have dark tanned caucaisan skin---as the Blacks and Arabs had not taken over North Africa until after the 7th Century AD.
     
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    Spawn was a black comic book hero, the movie was so so. .
     
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    Shhh... You are not supposed to notice, but if you do, you know what you are, racist!

    [sarcasm off...
     
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    It seems that fans of Marvel Fantastic Four noticed that racial thing maybe that is why the movie did not perform well in the box office?
     
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    No, I think that was because the movie stank.

    If it's "that racial thing", why did The Avengers did so well? Did fans love the black Nick Fury? No, it was because it was a good movie. "That racial thing" meant nothing.

    I do wish they could get Dr. Doom right. The cartoons manage it. This is the Dr. Doom we know and love, the guy who battles The Dread Dormammu (ol' flamey face) each midsummer's night in an attempt to free his mother's soul.

    [video]https://youtu.be/q5FcKAe4M1w[/video]
     
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    Or it just sucked. Haven't seen it but it really isn't getting good revues from even the comic book crowd, and not because of mixed siblings, because the movie just sucks in general.
     
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    The CGI effects the stunts are pretty awesome!
    Maybe fans especially those who follow the FF are just being politically correct for not saying the Johnny Storm being black and Susan Storm being white does not make sense not about racism but about the story how the Storm siblings are mixed race?
     
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    The Avengers did well is because it follows the original Marvel comics:
    1. Hulk
    2. Captain america
    3. Thor
    4. Iron Man
    5. Hawkeye
    6. Falcon (black)

    The only thing is Nick Fury. The original comic has Nick Fury as a WWII Sgt. in command of the howling commandos the same commandos that in Captain America first movie commanded minus Nick Fury.
    Stick to the original and introduced the Black Panther if the producers and sponsors really want more black super heroes they have already gave Falcon and War Machine both blacks major roles and I like them it blends right into the story. One thing we have to admit especially during the 1930's to 1960's racism was very strong against black Americans the coming of the Black Panther, Falcon and War Machine blends in well with the continuity of America's racial development in the 1970's with blacks starting to become more prominent this makes more sense rather than changing the skin color of an original character to what they were not.
     
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    What great English grammar.
     
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    Most of the people who like these movies are young, and much more receptive to the mixing of races, or the political correctness ravaging the English language. I doubt there are that many actual racists from the era of civil rights watching or reviewing this movie. Claiming it isn't getting rave reviews because of racism seems rather shallow.

    With reviews like this it doesn't sound like the racism had anything to do with it, or very little anyway.

    “The special effects are often lousy in 'Fantastic Four,' with poorly rendered CGI backdrops that make the fact that the actors are all standing on a soundstage all the more apparent, and this is particularly glaring during the climax,” writes The Playlist.

    "As a whole, the movie just isn’t good. Fantastic Four' is a synthetic bum-out, an assembly-line product, a movie a group of people made just because they could,” according to the Miami Herald.

    JoBlo’s Movie Emporium feels “...this is like a generic TV pilot for a show you wouldn’t want to watch....”

    "'Fantastic Four' feels like a 100-minute trailer for a movie that never happens," writes The Hollywood Reporter.

    Sounds pretty awful, but on a happier note, when critics hate a movie most of the time it isn't near as bad as they claim. Might be a good popcorn muncher but doesn't look worth going to the theater to watch it.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    DC comics is slowly moving ahead of Marvel in terms of bringing to life comic super heroes into the big screen because it maintains the original comic characters from Superman, Super Girl, Batman, Flash and Green Lantern.
     

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