1. Secure the Border best as can, 2. Give 4 month amnesty to allow those in country to file for legal status, application to be accompanied by birth certificate from country of birth, must show proof the have lived in the country for no less than one year prior to start of amnesty period. 3. Federal government Checks arrest records on each applicant those convicted of a felony have application denied and Ice deports them. Those with no felonies are granted legal status and can apply for citizenship. And applicant must show proof of residence for no less than 1 year. Why, so there is no massive numbers of people trying to enter the country 4 those born in the U.S. or born to citizens of the U.S. while on vacation in another country should be granted duel citizenship. 5. After the amnesty period ends if a person is unable to show a legal government document showing they applied during the amnesty period, they can where determined by ice or other designated government body be deported. Your thoughts please
There is a huge problem with this. Everything you stated is too reasonable. Nothing about this is "comphrensive". In todays divided world, simple easy fixes are not welcome in our halls of congress. Otherwise, another simple solution such as making it a Felony (for each individual violation) for an employer to hire a person without legal status might be considered by our Supreme beings. (lawmakers)
You missed a Very Important fix: Arrest those that knowingly Hire Illegals, fine em and put em in jail if they continue do it. Strange I never hear this mentioned by either side of the aisle, I wonder why that is????
Because both parties are bought and paid for by the corporations that profit off of illegal workers. The media is also complicit in avoiding discussing the solution to this issue. Ironically, as much time that is dedicated to 24-7 entertainment news, and endless amounts of time devoted to "expert talking heads", no one mentions the simple fix. (making it a Felony per violation, to employ any person not legally able to work in the USA) The objective is to keep Americans divided. As long as the population is bickering amongst themselves (Rep vrs Dem) citizens cannot form a majority large enough to oust the status quo politicians who profit from our broken system.
I am one of the few in this country that are actually independent. Trump is a d*k, but I love what he has done exposing what everyone knew but no politician or media outlet would talk about... The pay to play factor in our politics. I would never vote for Trump. The Koch's do what corporate heads do...pay to play. The left has just as many people/corporations as the right buying off politicians. I favor neither side because both sides are equally corrupted. MOST of the "hot button" issues are gimmicks that both parties know will keep the electorate divided. Take abortion for example. Pro lifers are passionate about their feelings yet would any of them be in favor of making abortion "murder" punishable by up to life in prison? Maybe some, but most wouldn't have the stomach to take it to such extremes even though they constantly call anyone who has had one a murderer. A poor example perhaps but my point is simple. MOST issues have simple solutions. Congress has no stomach for simple solutions because simplicity ruins the whole game. It is very difficult to load bills up with pork designed to repay donors with a simple bill. Politicians need 1000 page bills in order to do what they do best, deceive the public. BOTH parties are masters at this. Most media are in the corner of one or both of the parties. In the end, America ends up with the mess we have with no solutions in sight.
I like your amnesty idea. If a country decides to secure it's border, that puts illegals in a rough position. So it's best to give them a chance and let them live there.
Why, so there is no massive numbers of people trying to enter the country Oops!... ... too late already... ... Granny says dat's why we got the mess we got.
How is it that the government can trace a calf all the way back to it's cow and bull but they go deft where the border is concerned? Why is it that with all the camera's and other monitoring devices in possession of NSA, they can't cover one little border? Guess that pretty much covers the border statement, not going to happen until some drastic changes occur. Why? See next statement!!! If they are in this country illegally, then they are felons, period. Why would we want as citizens that have demonstrated a marked determination to ignore our laws. All gets not only deported but put on a list to never in the future be eligible for lawful entry. Now this is where amnesty would be appropriate, they have four months, unless caught before that expires, to leave the country and apply for lawful entry. Being that the level of people here willing to do manual labor, especially farm, that the citizens are unwilling to do, there would be a lot of openings. Starting with a work permit and then qualifying for a green card on the way to full citizenship would be a move in the right direction. Persons born to US citizens are citizens of this country by birthright, no matter where born. They are dual citizens until they reach the age of consent where they make a determination of where they apply their allegiance. Those born here, not of US citizens aren't citizens, period. There is no such thing as anchor babies, unless one uses a baby for an anchor which would be murder, no matter how many times those supreme mystical beings in black robes try to instill otherwise. Law is by the intent of the writer as passed by the legislature, not by declaration of the judiciary. No, if they remain in the country without a work visa or green card, then they are declared felons, deported, denied any entry back into this country. The next time they are caught, they are tried for an act of aggression against the country and hung from the fence on the border at noon to be in repose until sundown for the benefit of others contemplating that action. I would say that after the first month or so, there would be no more border problems.
Hire? Just what percentage actually have jobs as compared to those on the welfare system? So whom gets arrested? I would say start with those supreme mystical beings in black robes that voted for those false 14th amendment provisions for "anchor" babies. And before anyone gets their diaper in a twist, you should study and understand the law you are about to misquote.
What tough position, robbing those that are lawfully here of what is theirs? No, those here in any unlawful manner should get an amnesty to get out, then they face consequences. Please see prior two posts for details. You are way to kind, a kindness that only results in what has been purported to be a society where 66% of that society suffers from moral relativism. The result being those so disposed taking advantage of any weakness they perceive of the kindhearted.
1)Good 2)During that 4 month time frame, how many more are going to try to enter? HOw about letting those here apply for the H2A visa, If we need them they can stay, if we don't then they can leave with a waiver that dismisses their bar for re-entry, allowing them to apply in the near future. 3)Why allow them to apply for citizenship, H2A visas are non-immigrant work visas, it will allow them time to prepare to return back to their home country. Illegals are not recognized as residing in the US, they can not provide proof of residing here, that's already Federal Law. 4)Only those born in the US to domiciled and resident aliens should be granted citizenship by birth. Children born to citizens are automatically born citizens. 5)If they can't show they have applied for and not yet received there letter stating they have received or been denied an H2A visa, then they can be deported. - - - Updated - - - EWI is already a felony, provided it is the second EWI received. The first EWI is a Federal Misdemeanor.
How can you state that? This country is a country of immigrants. Our past greatness was only because of immigrants that chose what could have been a perilous journey, deserting their heritage, all for the hope of freedoms offered by this strange new country. Many did perish in that journey. But such has been our fate over the more than 500 years of our existence. But that greatness has been because of those making the journey to WORK and improve their lot in life. Now those crossing our borders illegally are still here for the purpose of improving their lot in life, the majority not by working for improvement but in being taken care of by the generosity of the government with money stolen from those that did work for it. But even worse are those here by the grace of the large corporations for the purpose to disrupt internal employment by the importation of cheap labor. So no, lawful immigration does not rob anyone but makes the country the stronger by the desire of immigrants to have a chance to succeed on their own, a desire that is much stronger than a majority of the "citizens".
People were miserable in the immigration ports in the old days. It was overcrowded diseased hell. (*)(*)(*)(*) the country. The country isn't a person. It doesn't feel.
Miserable, they had arrived in the country of their dreams, mostly transported like cattle and with all they had to their name was what they could carry? No, they weren't miserable but overjoyed as the end of their journey was near and their hopes, being they survived to this point, were at hand. And such foul language. But sorry the country is a person, along with the government of this country being a person. Neither feels, but than no person ever does, a person is incapable of emotions, unlike your outburst.
If you mean in the first person to me personally, no I haven't. But I have been places in this world and even here in the US where poverty is rampant. But that little excuses the actions of immigrants coming here to game the system. When all else fails, then man needs to return to the land not to the substance of another.
They collect it because of the wages they earn, nice try though. Those that hire them, too deep for ya? I would venture to say those beings in black robes know far more than you when it come to the laws.
Ever consider that within this giant conspiracy you miss a fundamental point--The same people who buy and pay for the media and the politicians are the ones who want you blaming illegal aliens so that you do not blame them. They would rather you be pissed at Julio than pissed at Wall Street. We have the capacity and room for full employment even if all the illegals were made legal. That just does not give the best return on investment to Wall Street and the companies trading there. Why spend money on a new factory that will take you 20 years to recover when you can double that money in 5 years in the stockmarket? Let's keep blaming anchor babies so we don't see who the real dead weight on society is.
While you have very valid points, that but begs the real question of this thread, the illegal immigration issue. Immigration has nothing to do with Wall Street within the context of this thread, it has to do with the negative impact upon an increasing perilous situation.
I totally agree. I remember when the Occupy Wall St movement was in full swing, pretty much every main media outlet had very slanted coverage against the movement. Conservative news seemed to have the most air time aimed at mocking the movement although the other main outlets ran a close second. I agree a favored tactic is to keep the people distracted and focusing on a scapegoat over where the real problem lies.
I have to disagree on this one. In my Opinion, the biggest danger to our country is not the volume of low level, uneducated people who flock here for farming jobs or other low level construction jobs, but rather in the circles where the real damage can be done. Wall St. and the corporate world have raped the US. Manufacturing jobs have gone overseas not because we have too many workers (including illegal workers) but because profits are much better in places where pay is low, benefits are non existent, and regulations are loose, if any.
