What should we do to refugees

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  1. MCFC2012

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    Yesterday we saw pictures of a kurdish child Aylan Kurdi 3 years old, the only thing he saw when he was alive was war, only war nothing else, he was born when it was war and he died when it was war. How can we help those who are running away from ISIS, we cant deny them and send them back to the hell they escaped, it's a place they cant call home anymore since there isn't anything there to call home anymore since ISIS has destroyed everything.

    Yesterday I saw videos of Hungarian forces depositing those refugees into trains and taking them to a camp where they should live, but one thing I don't understand is why cant we in Europe just give them asylum when they are in need of it, they are risking their lives to get to Europe so they can have a chance of starting a new life, this war has been on going for a couple of years now and still we havent done anything against them and people in Europe are seeing these refugees as a threat, then if they see them as a threat why dont they start to act against ISIS then we wont have people getting to Europe.

    This picture have made some political leaders open their eyes but was this everything that was needed? So every time they see a picture will that picture make them act? That's not enough, some countries need to take responsibility of the chaos that is going on in Syria and Iraq.

    I personally want these refugees to get asylum but my country is already offering them asylum, but it should be easier for them to get into Europe. People who are from Germany and France, feel proud for having Merkel and Hollande, they are contributing alot.

    "If we rescued the banks, we can save the refugees" - Merkel
     
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    Syrian refugees gonna starve...
    :omg:
    UN Agency Forced to Cut Food Aid to 200,000 Syrian Refugees
    SEPT. 4, 2015 — The cash-strapped World Food Program has had to drop one-third of Syrian refugees from its food voucher program in Middle Eastern host countries this year, including more than 200,000 in Jordan who stopped receiving food aid in September, a spokeswoman said Friday.
    See also:

    The Latest: EU hopes to redistribute 120000 migrants
    September 4,`15 — The latest news as tens of thousands of migrants pour into countries across Europe. All times local (CET):
     
  3. MCFC2012

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    But have you seen that Hungary is going to build a wall to stop the refugees to get into Hungary, that is sick, the European parliament should make it legal to get into Europe, it's like closing the door to heaven right in front of them and sending them to hell.
     
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    Two wrongs don't make a right.:roflol:
     
  5. MCFC2012

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    What do you mean xD.
     
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    Bailing the banks means another crash will come. They needed to collapse. Iceland didn't bail theirs and it worked.

    As for refugees. Europe's a tremendously over populated place. And quite frankly if I want to go to a holiday in the middle east I'll go to the middle east. I don't want Europe to be the middle east.

    I'm thrilled for Australia to be multicultural but Europe has too much history and tradition. I don't want to see my ancestral homeland be over run.

    But me actually live in a homogeneous environment? No bloody way. I freaken hate whitey.
     
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    Why do we need to do things to them?
     
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    But if we don't want Europe to be the middle east let's help them in their fight against ISIS, then they don't need to flee, what should they do when their homes are destroyed the environment is dangerous, where should they go? Just the thoughts of that upsets me. It doesnt matter in my opinion if your skin is a bit darker then mine you are still a human being and you have feelings like me and you have dreams you want to fulfill but cant because of stuffs like this. Europe doesnt have to become the "new" middle east it has both negative and positive effects, the people coming to Europe a lot of them might have a better knowledge of some stuffs and they can be the ones filling those gaps that we have in our society, like in Sweden we are in need of doctors, if they are educated they might have a good chance of getting hired and just like that we are filling our gaps.


    Where do you live? Palestine?

    @Colonel

    I meant by that how can we help them what way is the most effective way. :)
     
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    I think, just stop picking at it. Europe can't afford to help them. What we need is to stop interfering with the ME. After all, America created Isis with their nonsense. There's too many well trained ex soldiers in the ME. And America trained them. When there is unemployment after much war, veterans have a lot of power. Look at Nazi Germany. Men are different after a war.
     
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    Heaven? And is G-d paying for their manna?

    Many of the world's leaders, such as Angela Merkel, Barack Obama and others are very big-hearted about what me "must do" to help the hoards of refugees. Many people in the receiving countries are correctly terrified about being saddled with unaffordable costs of feeding and housing the migrants and protecting our safety and societal identities. I have a proposal. It isn't cheap but it is humane:

    1. Build dormitory style housing for the migrants;
    2. Building university style classrooms for the migrants;
    3. Provide them with three years of education, room and board, either for free or for what they can afford;
    4. Require them to learn the local language, English as a second language and a useful profession or vocational skill while in these facilities;
    5. Provide that they remain in the facilities for three years;
    6. For males require that they receive a reversible vasectomy;
    7. For females require that they receive Norplant (no less than three years) or a hysterectomy;
    8. Limit telephonic contact to supervised cell-phone use with cell phones made available for prescribed calling periods;
    9. For those that were professionals such as doctors in their lands of origin, appropriate training and equivalent licenses;
    10. Submit to political and civic indoctrination on the benefits and duties of living in an open society; and
    11. Some continued supervision after release from educational confinement.
    We as a society have a right to insist on conditions for our humanity. Maybe the immigrants can be made valuable additions to our society. Maybe they can be made to fit it. Maybe they cannot. But if we just hold them for a short period and release them into Paris-style "banleius" (sp) or ethnic enclaves, there will be chaos.

    Isn't this worth a try?
     
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    Yea, where are the rich Arab states in all this??...

    What're they doing: Rich Gulf states questioned over refugee crisis
    Sep 07, 2015 | By the end of August, more than four million Syrians had fled their country but very few if any refugees have been officially accepted by the six countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council.
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    Migrant crisis: Anger in Lesbos as Syrian refugees urge authorities to let them go to Athens - live
    Monday 07 September 2015 | Hungary is open to discussing quotas, the country's prime minister says, as a refugee shelter in Germany is set ablaze. Follow the latest developments here
     
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    In addition between the 60 thousand Syrian Refugees to be admitted in the US no one has managed so far to check their background... I personally think many of them are ISIS members.


    Spanish Government Warns: Amongst All Of The Refugees Coming From Syria, There Are ISIS Agents Wanting To Infiltrate The Nation
    ~by Ted on September 7, 2015 in Featured, General
    By Theodore Shoebat

    The Spanish government is warning that amongst the multitudes of refugees that are trying to penetrate Europe, there are ISIS agents trying to infiltrate the nation. According to the report:

    Spain’s interior minister on Monday called for tighter controls to prevent members of the armed jihadist group Isis from infiltrating the “avalanche” of refugees arriving in Europe from Syria.

    “The vast majority are refugees fleeing war, terror, but we can’t forget the Daesh is over there and these barbarians have shown that they are capable of carrying out their threats,” Interior Minister Jorge Fernandez Diaz told daily ABC using the Arabic acronym for the group.

    “How can we doubt that, among this avalanche people who are not refugees could infiltrate themselves,” he added in the interview published in the conservative newspaper.

    “Besides it is obvious that these people are fleeing above all Syria and Daesh is established there,” he added.

    “Spain will not refuse the right of asylum to anyone,” Diaz told ABC before adding that “controls must be strengthened to welcome these people”.

    European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker was expected to unveil a plan on Wednesday to relocate 120,000 refugees in EU countries under a mandatory quota system.

    Under Juncker’s proposal, Germany and France will take half of the refugees to relieve the burden on Greece, Italy and Hungary, while Spain will take almost 15,000, a European source told AFP.

    Anti-government protests that erupted in Syria in March 2011 have spiralled into a complex civil war that has killed more than 240,000 people.

    Meanwhile Spain’s foreign minister, Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo warned on Monday that the migrant crisis could “tarnish” Europe’s image and pledged his country would take in refugees despite its economic woes.

    “From an ethical and practical point of view, so as not to tarnish the image of Europe and therefore favour extremism, we must make the maximum effort” to help refugees, Garcia-Margallo said in Iran.

    He said Spain would do its part “to welcome a maximum number of refugees, offer them a roof over their heads and social services” despite its financial difficulties.

    Garcia-Margallo did not say how many refugees Spain was willing to receive.
     
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    Most of these Syrian refugees are well-educated and wealthy.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/europe-refug...cated-syrians-risking-lives-leave-war-2089018

    Its the poor who are still stuck in Syria or in refugee camps in Jordan.
     
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    4 nations say <NO> to migrant quota.

    ~by George Jahn and Karet Janicek of the Associated Press

    Vienna - At least four countries Friday firmly rejected a European Union plan to impose refugee quotas to ease a worsening migrant crisis that Germany's foreign minister said was "probably the biggest challenge" in the history of the 28 - nation bloc.

    Hungary, which along with the <good hearted> Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland
    said it would <NOT>support the proposal, threatened instead to crack down on the thousands of people streaming across its borders daily as they flee war and persecution.

    The stance by those countries reflected a hardening front against distributing at least some of the refugees among them and was a stinging rebuff to German Foreign Minister Frank-Walker Steinmeier, who traveled to Prague to try to persuade them to reconsider.

    The <benevolent> Czechs, Slovaks and Poles have been relatively unaffected by the influx, but <super benevolent> Hungary has faced growing criticism about its stance towards the asylum seekers. <reminiscent of the Nazi era>... other E.U. leaders and human rights groups accuse the government of gross mismanagement in housing , feeding and processing the migrants.

    NB all reflections in <> are mine...
     
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    What should we do to the refugees?

    Culturally enrich them of course. Send them home along with our open border socialists who want to share everything they have. Its a win/win, refugees get to stay in their homelands but now have leftists to help them establish their highly successful socialist utopias without evil whites or their capitalism while they get to culturally enrich each other.

    Its such a win/win its hard to understand why socialists havent already left.
     
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    Europe has a population approaching 750 million. There's plenty of room-and available money-to absorb a few hundred thousand at the very least. Cameron has graciously committed to allowing 20 thousand refugees into Britain-over four years; a pathetically inadequate response in the face of something approaching the most desperate refugee crisis since the second world war. In contrast Germany has pledged to admit 800 thousand.
     
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    Europe is full.
     
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    Says who?
     
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    And you know what a well trained soldier is just how?
     
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    There is no quid pro quo when it comes to humanitarian aid. Would you offer a dying man water but only if you got something in return for your 'humanitarian' gesture? 'What's in it for me?'
     
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    The refugees are fleeing Assad and ISIS.
    If both were destroyed they would immediately return.
     
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    The trick is ascertaining who are the refugees and who the economic migrants are?
     
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    IS THE BEST MAXINE EVER, EVER,...EVER!
    RIGHT ON MAXINE!!!

    This is the best analogy yet!
    Leave it to Maxine to come up with a solution for the mess that America/Canada/UK/Germany/Australia/NZ is now in economically.

    cid:63665827-E265-49FD-9CBD-0931928406BA@telus

    I bought a bird feeder. I hung it
    on my back porch and filled it
    with seed. What a beauty of
    a bird feeder it was, as I filled it
    lovingly with seed.
    Within a week we had hundreds of birds
    taking advantage of the
    continuous flow of free and
    easily accessible food.

    But then the birds started
    building nests in the boards
    of the patio, above the table,
    and next to the barbecue.

    Then came the (*)(*)(*)(*). It was
    everywhere: on the patio tile,
    the chairs, the table ...
    everywhere!

    Then some of the birds
    turned mean. They would
    dive bomb me and try to
    peck me even though I had
    fed them out of my own
    pocket.

    And others birds were
    boisterous and loud. They
    sat on the feeder and
    squawked and screamed at
    all hours of the day and night
    and demanded that I fill it
    when it got low on food.

    After a while, I couldn't even
    sit on my own back porch
    anymore. So I took down the
    bird feeder and in three days
    the birds were gone. I cleaned
    up their mess and took down
    the many nests they had built
    all over the patio.

    Soon, the back yard was like
    it used to be ..... quiet, serene....
    and no one demanding their
    rights to a free meal.

    Now let's see......
    Our government gives out
    free food, subsidized housing,
    free medical care and free
    education, and allows anyone
    born here to be an automatic
    citizen.

    Then the illegal&#8217;s came by the
    tens of thousands. Suddenly
    our taxes went up to pay for
    free services; small apartments
    are housing 5 families; you
    have to wait 6 hours to be seen
    by an emergency room doctor;
    Your child's second grade class is
    behind other schools because
    over half the class doesn't speak
    English.

    Corn Flakes now come in a
    bilingual box; I have to
    'press one ' to hear my bank
    talk to me in English, and
    people waving flags other
    than &#8221;ours&#8221; are
    squawking and screaming
    in the streets, demanding
    more rights and free liberties.

    Just my opinion, but maybe
    it's time for the government
    to take down the bird feeder.
     
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