Jews & Arabs will soon be same number in Palestine

http://news.yahoo.com/population-pa...e-raises-hard-questions-israel-151215215.html

There are 6.3 million Jews in historic Palestine.

There are 6.25 million Jews in historic Palestine.

That means a one-state solution will have an Arab majority.

 

Proof read your posts please....

As far as Arab majority, this will never be allowed to sway the political reality of Israel (No such thing as historic Palestine). They will live in predetermined areas, and have little political influence. Plus they do not serve in the military, so there is that. They also can be evicted at the whim of the Jewish people, if they become a threat to status quo.

 

the Jews would not DARE commit another act of ethnic cleansing against the Arabs of Palestine.

if they did, Iran would nuke them

 

Ok... thank you for making your argument look silly. Persians would nuke Israel to protect Sunni Arabs, and get nuked in turn .... ok buddy

 

I know that some in the Fascist Israeli govt would love to commit ethnic cleansing, but its not gonna happen.

Israel would lose all support that they still have left, maybe even be kicked out of the UN and face NATO invasion

 

Well that's feminism for you.

 

If the Palestinians start rioting or escalating violence that is exactly what will happen, UN will never do anything aside some sanction's and no one invades a nuclear state, especially NATO who does nothing without US go ahead. So your proposition is dead on arrival.

 

Israel won't expel the Palestinians as that would lose all support including Western support as the West don't want to be supporting a country doing ethnic cleansing. If Israel did that beside losing all support Palestinian and nearby Arabs would fight back. Again though Israel won't do that since it would lose all support. The right(which the far right kahanst would like to expel all Arabs) in Israel seem content with de facto annexation through settlement construction and increased use of home demolition.

 

Think we need to define what is considered to be Arab, if we are using the term for the people of the region then that would make the Jews Arabs also, they are all cousins no matter how much some wish to deny it. So as such I would say the population of Israel is made up of mainly Arabs, which are made up of Muslims, Jews, Christians and Atheists.

 

Again this will only happen if the Arabs gain majority, and then would try to take control of Israel. Israel would deny them this, they would riot, rebel a war would begin and Israel would then be forced to evict them into the west bank.Again this would be about survival of the jewish state of Israel, they would not care about losing support, they would be worried about becoming a minority in an Arab Palestine. Never again is not a slogan, it is a life style.

 

you think Israeli govt. is racist enough to expel 1.7 million Arabs?

lol!!!!

 

If this was about survival of the Jewish Israeli state, expulsion will be least of the Arab concern.

 

oh so you think the Israeli govt. is racist enough to commit genocide against their 1.7 million Arab citizens?

 

I think Israel would do anything it had to do to ensure its survival.

 

even genocide?

wow. not even I think the Israeli govt. is that criminal and racist.

 

Even genocide, its not racist or criminal.... when your state and life is on the line there are no rules. I mean they are not going to round them up and shoot them, they will go into their neighborhoods in force, and any resistance will be met with deadly force, all those who do not move will be moved. If it comes to that, I do not think the Arabs are stupid enough to threaten the Jewish state in such a way to get this reaction.

 

ironic, as this was Hitler's justification for the Holocaust.

I guess history has come full circle huh?

 

Well unlike the Holocaust, the Arabs are very well armed, and Israel is surrounded by Arab states. Unlike Jews in Germany and Europe , Arabs call for destruction of Israel, and for pushing Jews into the sea. Your comparison is not only silly, but makes your argument look silly.

 

There is an historic Palestine... and if you check, you'll find that the Hasidic Jews or the ultra conservative don't serve in the IDF.

 

Israel is growing, those around them will need to move out of the way

 

Germany said this to Poland, in 1939.

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you're talking about committing genocide against 1.7 million Arab citizens of Israel.

not foreigner Arabs.

if Israel did such a thing, they would cease to exist.

and the Jewish community of the world would also suffer greatly.

 

50% of the population in Palestine is already not Jewish. If Israel were to annex West Bank roughly 40% of population would be Arab(this would make Joint List a coalition of Communist, Islamist, and Arab nationalists parties which nearly left Meretz to die last election largest party in knesset). Considering their higher growth rate and much younger population demographic experts including Israeli demographic expert Arabs to reach majority. This means that holding onto West Bank guarantees them either an apartheid state due to Palestinians living under military law and Israelis under civil law or binational state by annexing West Bank which would give all the Palestinians there Israeli citizenship.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/population-israelpalestine-projected
http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/415083-caroline-glick.html

You also seem to not grasp what existential threat means. The Palestinians don't pose an existential threat as while some like Hamas would like to destroy Israel being non state actors they don't have the mean to destroy a country(they have the means to do some damage to Israel and cause some loss of life in war of attrition however that is not the same as existential threat or having the means to destroy a country, an example from American history is that the Vietnamese had the means to win in a war of attrition that cost over 58,000 American lives along with 65,000 North Vietnamese civilians dead and 444,000-1,100,000 North Vietnamese military dead or missing, however, Vietnam did not pose an existential threat since it had no means to destroy United States) like Israel that has one of the best armies in the world and includes weapons like Apache gunships, Merkava tanks, f-16,f-15 eteca. In Gaza, Hamas seems to have grudgingly realized that they can't win against Israel since they haven't fired rockets against Israel since November 2012 ceasefire ending operation pillar of defense with the few rockets launched since then by ISIS aligned groups opposed to Hamas(exception was late July early August 2014 when Hamas launched rockets after Israeli crackdown in West Bank following Hamas cell in Hebron not acting on orders from central leadership kidnapped three Jewish teenagers and killed them). In the West Bank, the PA maintains security coordination with Israel and doesn't have a desire to destroy Israel nor even if they wanted to don't have the means. Israel's top security experts have maintained what is an existential threat is the occupation since it makes it impossible for Israel to remain a Jewish and democratic state at the same time. Really the only way for Israel to remain a Jewish and democratic state is to withdraw from most of West Bank with turning the fence into a de facto border(Amos Yadlan former Aman head miltiary intelligence head and before renowned pilot and was one of the pilots involved in Osirak strike has argued for withdrawal to the fence and Jordan valley) until an agreement can be agreed upon(and restart negotiations on basis of 2008 talks as both sides admit they were months away from a deal). There is no other as the other options are binational state, apartheid state, or in Guru's case lose all support, cause a large amount of lives lost, and commit Israel to ethnic cleanings(thankfully, again unlikely to happen since Israel would lose all support and would face fighting Palestinians and also the much longer Arab world which outnumber Israel, again what the right seem to content with continue settlement construction to defacto annex territory, continue restrictions on building and land for Palestinians, and continue house demolition, as for the time being this the consequences for this haven't been too high and has continued support from other countries while still fulfilling right's goal of making it more difficult to leave the territories) . However withdrawal to make fence de facto border will probably not happen and negotiations will likely not go back to point of 2008 talks if at all with potential dire consequences including another intifada if tensions escalate.
http://www.israelnsp.org/what-they-say/vital-for-israeli-security.html

 

I should of said </end sarcasm>

that is the issue, and that is what is causing most of the issues, growing pains, Jews do not want to move outside of Israel (I would not either), so Israel expands

those expanding are in the wrong, but they feel they have no choice, thus are justified... like us taking over America

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sadly ironic when the descendants of the Holocaust call for the genocide of another people.

I guess we didn't learn anything from The Shoah.

 

You didn't address anything I said in particular

"You also seem to not grasp what existential threat means. The Palestinians don't pose an existential threat as while some like Hamas would like to destroy Israel being non state actors they don't have the mean to destroy a country(they have the means to do some damage to Israel and cause some loss of life in war of attrition however that is not the same as existential threat or having the means to destroy a country, an example from American history is that the Vietnamese had the means to win in a war of attrition that cost over 58,000 American lives along with 65,000 North Vietnamese civilians dead and 444,000-1,100,000 North Vietnamese military dead or missing, however, Vietnam did not pose an existential threat since it had no means to destroy United States) like Israel that has one of the best armies in the world and includes weapons like Apache gunships, Merkava tanks, f-16,f-15 eteca. In Gaza, Hamas seems to have grudgingly realized that they can't win against Israel since they haven't fired rockets against Israel since November 2012 ceasefire ending operation pillar of defense with the few rockets launched since then by ISIS aligned groups opposed to Hamas(exception was late July early August 2014 when Hamas launched rockets after Israeli crackdown in West Bank following Hamas cell in Hebron not acting on orders from central leadership kidnapped three Jewish teenagers and killed them). In the West Bank, the PA maintains security coordination with Israel and doesn't have a desire to destroy Israel nor even if they wanted to don't have the means. Israel's top security experts have maintained what is an existential threat is the occupation since it makes it impossible for Israel to remain a Jewish and democratic state at the same time. Really the only way for Israel to remain a Jewish and democratic state is to withdraw from most of West Bank with turning the fence into a de facto border(Amos Yadlan former Aman head miltiary intelligence head and before renowned pilot and was one of the pilots involved in Osirak strike has argued for withdrawal to the fence and Jordan valley) until an agreement can be agreed upon(and restart negotiations on basis of 2008 talks as both sides admit they were months away from a deal). There is no other as the other options are binational state, apartheid state, or in Guru's case lose all support, cause a large amount of lives lost, and commit Israel to ethnic cleanings(thankfully, again unlikely to happen since Israel would lose all support and would face fighting Palestinians and also the much longer Arab world which outnumber Israel, again what the right seem to content with continue settlement construction to defacto annex territory, continue restrictions on building and land for Palestinians, and continue house demolition, as for the time being this the consequences for this haven't been too high and has continued support from other countries while still fulfilling right's goal of making it more difficult to leave the territories) . However withdrawal to make fence de facto border will probably not happen and negotiations will likely not go back to point of 2008 talks if at all with potential dire consequences including another intifada if tensions escalate. "
http://www.israelnsp.org/what-they-say/vital-for-israeli-security.html

If you want Israel to be a Jewish and democratic state, and stay as part of the Western camp there is no alternative to giving up most of the West Bank. Beside your ethnic cleansing idea immoral and would cause Israel to lose all support, your concept of protecting Israel is strange as it would be provoking Israel into a fight with the Arab world alone(which consists of hundreds of millions 80 million in neighboring Egypt alone).

"Well unlike the Holocaust, the Arabs are very well armed, and Israel is surrounded by Arab states. Unlike Jews in Germany and Europe , Arabs call for destruction of Israel, and for pushing Jews into the sea. Your comparison is not only silly, but makes your argument look silly."
On this much of what said applies above. You call for all Palestinians in West Bank to be expelled(which would provoke population with good chance of provoking leadership of heavily armed surrounded Arab countries you mention into attacking Israel) when mentioned above Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza Strip don't pose an existential threat with West Bank largely quiet since end of second intifada and most attacks done by lone gunmen and in Gaza with exception of summer 2014 mentioned above Hamas hasn't launched rockets at Israel since ceasefire ending Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012. While Arab media does often call for Israel's destruction; again as mentioned before Hamas doesn't have capacity to do it, Arab countries while do cite against Israel their leaders regularly like to use Israel as a way to district population from said leader's human right problems and corruption, also in case of Egypt and Jordan having relations with Israel and a peace with them, some of the other countries maintain unofficial ties with Israel with the Gulf states like Saudi Arabia the most known examples, last about Arab countries if they wanted to destroy Israel they could since they outnumber Israel with Egypt outnumbering them nearly 10 to 1, however they don't for several reasons including aforementioned reasons like leaders having Israel to blame for their problems rather than solving them, threat of annihilation from Israel's nuclear arsenal, and world reaction if the Arab countries tried to destroy Israel.