Ted Kennedy Created This Immigration Mess.

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ted Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act created the mess we are in today:

    Fifty years ago today, Ted Kennedy began changing the face of the United States by ushering the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act through Congress. That legislation resulted in the fundamental transformation of the demographic, economic, social, and political landscape of nation, exactly the opposite of what its supporters promised.

    The Kennedy immigration law abolished the national origins quota system, which had favored immigrants from nations with a similar heritage to our own, and opened up American immigration visas to the entire world.

    While about nine in ten of the immigrants who came to the United States during the 19th and 20th century hailed from Europe, the 1965 law inverted that figure. Today about 9 out of every 10 new immigrants brought into the country on green cards come from Latin America, Africa, Asia or the Middle East.

    The size of the numbers also grew exponentially as well. According to Pew Research Center, 59 million immigrants entered the United States following the Act’s passage. Including their children, that added 72 million new residents to the U.S. population.

    In 1965, according to Pew, the country was 84 percent white, 11 percent black, 4 percent Hispanic and less than 1 percent Asian.

    In 2015, as a result of Kennedy’s immigration law, the country is now 62 percent white, 12 percent black, 18 percent Hispanic and 6 percent Asian.

    Click on link below for more...

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/03/ted-kennedys-america-50-years-after-the-law-that-changed-everything/
     
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    Still the Secure the border lobby cries for enforcement of the existing laws.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, like actually securing the border, and detaining and deporting illegals.
     
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    Militarizing the border is a bad idea. You don't even have the fence up all the way and we already have Constitution Free Zones that nullify all your constitutional guarantees within a hundred miles of any border.

    How long before Uncle Scam declares that the entire Constitution be nullified in order to enforce such laws.

    Our problems are vast and many. The courts have declared that welfare is a "right." Anti - miscegenation laws were repealed years ago - and now even gay marriage is considered normal. The whites are categorized according to their religion, political party affiliation and willingness to accept the liberal agenda. And you suggest that giving a government more money to a crappy job even worse while taking our Liberty is going to resolve the situation???
     
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    The fence isn't finished due to Democrats in Congress. The CFZ has been around since the '50's, it's nothing new. It doesn't nullify any Constitutional guarantees whatsoever. :yawn:

    He could expect a revolt by much of the population.

    No court has declared that welfare is a "right". Nobody has taken your Liberty.

    Look Chicken Little, the sky is falling. :roll:
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They just need to use existing money more wisely. National security is one of the federal government's top jobs. Yes, we need a secure border. If the feds cannot do it, then let the States. They are sick and tired of the Obama Administration's weakness anyway. Let them secure themselves if Obama will not.
     
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    There is a major problem with militarizing the border and using the military to enforce what some insist are "crimes." Allowing the military to do police work means that both the military and the police are merged at some point. We saw this metamorphosis get public attention in 1994 when Lt. Cmd. Ernest Guy Cunningham administered the infamous Twenty Nine Palms Survey to military personnel:

    http://29palmssurvey.com/survey.html

    Note what question # 46 asks:


    The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these fireamis to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to tum over their firearms. Consider the following statement:

    I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government

    (_____) (____) (_____) (______) (____)
    Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion


    Under what circumstances could you envision such a scenario happening? Doesn't the fact that the military practices for such an event make you want to reconsider advocating building the government bigger in order to do a crappy job worse than they do it now?

    Bear in mind that much of the border is private property. In 2003 the Secure the border lobby did not challenge a court ruling wherein a judge found that citizen border patrol members violated the "civil rights" of Salvadorans trespassing over private property in order to effect an improper entry into the United States.

    https://www.splcenter.org/news/2005/08/19/immigrants-win-arizona-ranch

    Isn't the border we must first concern ourselves with is the property line (border) around our own homes? The Secure the border guys stood down on this question and decided that government should be the only ones that can protect a "border." That puts Uncle Scam in charge of YOUR property line. I believe that we must have the unfettered Right to repel trespassers who cross private property lines.
     
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    The border hasn't been militarized. :roll:

    I'm willing to bet you never even served in the military. The hypothetical question does many things and evaluates the soldiers mental capacity.

    This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regard to nontraditional missions.

    Had those persons not violated the civil rights of the Salvadorans by not beating them, sicking a dog on them and threatening them with death, there wouldn't have been an issue. Had they simply contacted BP to pick them up that would have been the end of it, but no, they had to abuse them. :roll:

    No, the Supreme Court decided that only the US Govt has authority over immigration, and that only they can protect the border. Nobody stood down on the issue. It doesn't put Uncle Sam in charge of any PL, only the US borders and ports. You don't have a right to abuse them, you do have the ability and right to detain them and notify the proper authorities, not beat them, threaten them, sick dogs on them, etc. :roll:
     
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    Of course private owners have a right to protect themselves if they feel threatened. The government is in charge of the border. I suggest we create a DMZ like between North & South Korea.
     
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    There are still quotas that operate as ceilings prohibiting too many immigrants from countries. Somebody will fall for anything I suppose.
     
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    If you suggest that the government is in charge of the border and that includes private property, what stops the government from suspending all private property Rights under the pretext of pursuing criminals?

    I will still submit to you that a private property owner ought to have an unfettered Right to protect their property from trespassers or anyone else not invited.

    "The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the force of the Crown. It may be frail its roof may shake the wind may blow through it the storms may enter, the rain may enter, but the King of England cannot enter all his forces dare not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement." William Pitt
     
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    When our forefathers designed our Constitution, all people were due Liberty, but today we offer wholesale citizenship and promote an amalgamation of religions, cultures, political ideologies, races, creeds, etc. In the private sector you cannot say no to those you find undesirable.

    My position is to reinstate individual Liberties - which means getting rid of anti-discriminatory laws. If you want to hire white Christians, you should be able to - and if the other guy wants to hire low wage Hispanics, let him. But, if you can refuse to do business with the people whose positions you disagree with the immigration situation would be self regulating. There is an easier path than to give the military police powers.
     
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    Okay, don't see what that has to do with me pointing out that the US still has a quota system in immigration law. It is why a guy from the UK can jump on the plane and the guy from Mexico waits 11 years.
     
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    I'm not for any quota system either. I was only pointing out that if you have the right laws, the entire system is self regulating. The Secure the border lobby seems to have only one major beef: They feel that one must be a citizen in order to have Liberty so they want those Kennedy Immigration Laws enforced.

    Our real problem in America is multi-faceted. We've created a welfare state so that people don't have to work and we scapegoat foreigners because welfarites cannot be forced to go out and get a job. Then the government, apparently (?) has started giving the privileges of citizenship to anyone that washes up on our shores.

    As you pointed out, the Kennedy Immigration Laws were designed to wage a war against the whites in favor of people from non-white countries.
     
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    And this is where you still haven't a clue about the illegal immigration issue or the "Secure the Border" lobby. They want the 1986 IIRCA laws enforced and the 1965 Hart-Celler Act changed. :roll:
     
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    Oh I see this as one of the smoke and mirrors thing that is more "Damn Mexicans keep voting democrat so we have to go after 'em even if it takes a generation".

    No clue how you got that out of my post. I don't know anything about what was done before or after that law. I just know we still have quotas. They are just better disguised to make them not appear racist on their face.
     
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    You seem to be getting things out of my posts that I have not stated. Let me tell you what I know, not what I believe:

    The overwhelming majority of undocumented foreigners in this country come from Mexico and south of there. The Secure the border lobby wants to militarize the border in a vain effort to keep them out. I don't support such an ill advised approach.

    The Secure the border lobby always makes this issue about "immigration." Immigration means that someone comes here with the intent to stay permanently. I know, for a fact, that most of those people do NOT want to become citizens. Furthermore, it is not a requirement to become a citizen in order to do business here OR be afforded to basic God given Right of Liberty.

    That brings us to quotas. The visa system is rigged to be both racist AND to make America a non-white nation. The Mexicans and those south of there are just caught in the middle. The Secure the border lobby will tell you all can enter via an agricultural worker visa. That visa does not apply to NON-agricultural jobs that:

    A) Are NOT seasonal
    B) NOT one time only jobs
    C) Not associated with work only (in other words, most visas end in the expectation that a visa holder will become a citizen.

    People in America wail about "illegal immigration," but balk at the thought of letting people come here to work without the expectation of citizenship. I am, in no way, shape, fashion, or form in favor of quotas. At the same time I am NOT in favor of forcing people to become citizens. Adding insult to injury, I do NOT favor giving Guest Workers the same privileges that ought to be limited to citizens (free public education, welfare, Socialist Security, etc.)
     
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    Exactly, Teddy Kennedy lied to Congress and the American people.

     
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    I don't think the current Administration is following our immigration laws.
     
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    The current administration is not following any law, but rather Obama's own dictates. OTOH, there are three branches of government and the other two will follow the law to the extent that the law disenfranchises the posterity of the men who fought, bled, and died in order to establish our constitutional Republic.
     
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    http://cis.org/government-data-reveal-millions-of-new-work-permits
     
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    Then you should vote against the republicans in Congress that have allowed these activities to go on. The conservatives violate the Constitution every time their majority refuses to serve as a check on the President and the Courts.
     
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    Just wish that the establishment Republicans had some balls, and would quit handing Obama what he wants on a silver platter.
     
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    I do vote against the ones that I have control over in my State. The Conservatives are not the problem. The establishment RINOs are.
     

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