Israel could lose its only ally over settlements

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  1. Heinrich

    Heinrich Active Member

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    The United States is the only country capable of providing political cover for Israel from world opinion. For decades the Israelis have benefited from American support, right-or-wrong, and the Israelis have never been reluctant to push their luck by ignoring American advice. But Benjamin Netanyahu might have gone too far by going to the US Congress to complain about the American president and the US Administration's steps toward normalizing relations with Iran. President Obama ordered the Israelis to stop the massacre in Gaza last year and they did so. This showed the world who is boss. The official position of the United States is that the construction of Jewish settlements in Occupied Palestine is problematic but until now the Israelis have been oblivious to this. Now, the US Administration has told Israel that for the first time ever "Washington won’t veto a Security Council resolution declaring West Bank settlements illegal" if there are any more built.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-wont-veto-un-vote-on-settlements-if-israel-builds-anew/
    Since the Israelis recently invaded the Al-Aqsa mosque site and violently cracked-down on Palestinian worshipers, there has been increased instances of Palestinian resistance, in response to which Israelis have threatened to increase settlement construction. Netanyahu might get the message.
     
  2. DrewBedson

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    Huh?

    "U.S. President Obama acknowledged Israel's right to defend itself, but urged restraint by both sides. Meanwhile, the United States Congress expressed vigorous support for Israel. It passed legislation providing Israel with an additional $225 million in military aid for missile defense with a bipartisan 395-8 vote in the House of Representatives and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[322] This was in addition to strong measures supporting Israel's position passed with overwhelming support in both houses.[323] Israel received strong statements of bipartisan support from the leadership and members of both houses of Congress for its actions during the conflict."
     
  3. Heinrich

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    Every time President Obama said Israel has a right to defend itself, it gave the green light to the Israelis to continue the massacre of children and civilians in Gaza last year. It is no secret, as I acknowledged in my opening post that the United States is Israel's only ally in the world. Seeing the slaughter of so many civilians, however, and after the usual statement of support for Israel which everyone, especially the Israelis, have come to expect, with the Palestinian death toll in the Gaza Strip topping 1,000, President Obama spoke to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the phone on Sunday 27 July 2014, demanding an immediate and unconditional humanitarian ceasefire.
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4550899,00.html
    On 3 August, the Israel Defense Force pulled most of its ground forces out of the Gaza Strip.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Um, the UN has already declared the settlements and the annexation of East Jerusalem to be illegal, many times.
     
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    Not the powerful Security Council where the U.S. always uses its veto in support of Israel.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, the UNSC has previously condemned the settlements and annexation of East Jerusalem as illegal.
     
  7. Heinrich

    Heinrich Active Member

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    If you read the Times of Israel article you will see that the threat that the United States "won’t veto a Security Council resolution declaring West Bank settlements illegal" if Israel insists on building or expanding settlements. This signals a breakdown unqualified support for Israel by the Americans and it looks like Netanyahu got the message.
     
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    Your article;

    "The US president once again condemned Hamas' rocket fire, and reaffirmed Israel's right to defend itself"
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel does not give a rat's ass about the UN unless it is regarding actions against other countries that they want control of.
     
  10. Heinrich

    Heinrich Active Member

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    I said this in Post # 3 but added the crucial concern Obama had about the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians and his order to Netanyahu to quit which you had doubted.

    Israel never had to worry much about the Security Council's resolutions because the United States have provided political cover by using its veto whenever the Israelis have been criticized. The Americans did not veto Resolution 242 which puts Israel's occupation of the Palestinians Territories firmly in the wrong and which undermines Israel's propaganda which attempts justify its presence in Occupied Palestine. A refusal to veto the Security Council's declaration on the illegality of the settlements will be bad enough for the Israelis but what is more scary to the Zionists is the American Administration's willingness to quit covering Israel's back internationally. This will embolden the rest of the world to insist Israel return to the 1967 borders at once. Obama is the first American president to lose patience with the Israelis and he was pushed over the edge by Netanyahu attitude of badmouthing his policy toward Iran in the U.S. Congress and declaring that there would be no Palestinian state in order to get the right-wing vote at the last Israeli election.
     
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    According to the US State Department spokesman Mark Toner, there was no such warning from the White House.
    As he said:
    Source: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...o-reject-our-request-for-more-building-421136

    The "warning" the you are talking about, was brought up by the settlers as a fear. But as you can see, according to the US State Department, there was no such warning from the White House.
     
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    Heinrich Active Member

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    I believe the U.S. State Department spokesman. Don't you?
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I never said I dont believe them on that subject. But if you believe them on that subject, then why you created this thread with the title that Israel could lose their support in the UN regarding the US vetoes, if such warning was never issued by the US?
     
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    We are not worried!!!!
    The Israel-USA relation is bigger than you and I... Many things keep the US attachment to Israel alive and in reciprocation Israel to the US friendship is unbreakable!!!

    The settlements are not illegal for most of them are build on land that belong to Jews or land bought by Israel. Keep well and try to find another new cause to slander Israel.
     
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    Did you not see I reported correctly what was published in The Times of Israel? "The report cited senior sources in the Israeli government as saying that the White House told Netanyahu that the US wouldn’t necessarily veto a French-sponsored resolution at the United Nations Security Council."
    So, believe the senior sources in the Israeli government or a spokesman for the U.S. State Department. They cannot both be right. Frankly, it looks to me as though the Americans are backpedaling. So, then, either way, the United States seem to be once again giving the go-ahead for more settlements.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    So Israel couldnt lose their support in the UN nor their biggest ally, then why you created this thread with that title? It is misleading!! (and of course incorrect)


    BTW- you wrote in your thread that:
    But of course it is incurrect. And which once against rise the question, why you created this thread with that title??
     
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    Why do you believe the senior Israeli government source lied?
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    You believe to the US State Department, as you stated in post #12 in this thread. Which means that you accepted that the US has never issued such a warning regarding their vetoes in the UN.
     
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    It's hard to know whom to believe, given conflicting reports.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    That's not what you said to me in post #12, where you stated that you believe to the US State Department.
     
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    Strangely, maybe both accounts are half right and half wrong. You know how it is when it comes to government spokesmen; they manipulate the facts. It is their career.
     
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    As noted, that's because of the cover provided by the U.S.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    According to your post number #12, you believe to the US State Department in this case, and which contradicts what you wrote in your thread.
     
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    These people have a way of telling some of the truth without telling it all. I think the State Department spokesman is right that no ultimatum was actually delivered to Netanyahu but the Israeli prime minister was left in no doubt that he could not continue to rely of the U.S. veto of the upcoming French resolution that the settlements are illegal and should be dismantled. So, it is not an ultimatum but it is a warning.
     
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    SO you believe to the US State Department, which means that you accepted that the US has never issued such a warning regarding their vetoes in the UN, which leads me to ask you in the 3rd time:
    why you created this thread with the title that Israel could lose their support in the UN regarding the US vetoes, if such warning was never issued by the US?

    You just accepted what the US State Department said, which means that you accepted that no warning was issued by the US to Israel regarding the US vetoes, hecne you cant now say that there was a warning.
     

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