China joins the search for Alien life...

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/china-fast-telescope-search-for-alien-life-a6690681.html


    Interesting.
     
  2. haribol

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    It is interesting since we cannot refute the fact that life does exist else where also. Of course with this big study there will be a great leap forward in science
     
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    Fascinating how scientists condone spending billions finding Aliens, even though there is zero evidence of their existence....Yet in the same instance berate and ridicule religious folk.
     
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    It's simple math. Astronomical odds = an absolute certainty when you're dealing with things on an astronomical scale. I doubt they'll find anything, it's unlikely that any technological life exists in this galaxy with the obvious exception. That said it DOES exist somewhere else in the universe, thus the search.
     
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    Well, I wonder if their government is also in the business of hiding evidence of alien signals?

    OR what if the aliens are hiding and don't want to be found?

    It can't be that aliens don't exist that's an unacceptable answer.
     
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    Chinese can do nothing. they invented 0 machine in the last 200 years.

    look at what they built, is it a joke?
     
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    The Brits had them high in opium (at gun point) for most of the last 200 years,not their fault. And over the last 50 years the Chinese have made major gains in genetics and natural engendering. China and the US are the only countries that can make it rain at will and only China does it on a large scale.
     
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    china has to thanks British to save them,

    Manchus ruled china for 300 years till 1911.
    The population rate was 100,000,000 chinese VS 1.000.000 manchus.
    manchus killed millions chinese.
    Manchu conquest of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A small American and European army took Beijing easily in 1900.
    Eight-Nation Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    There is no Chinese, it's a multiethnic nation. How many have the Han killed?
     
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    Chinese were enslaved for 2000 years.
    Chinese were the lowest class slaves mongol, manchu, xianbei, khitan, jurchen empires.
     
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    Except for the Mongols, those were all Chinese.
     
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    Uncle Ferd says dey's tryin' to make contact with us...
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    Space shocker: Proof of life found in another galaxy after bursts of ‘alien’ cosmic radio waves detected
    Saturday 7th January, 2017 - In a new revelation, scientists have found that short bursts of ‘alien’ cosmic radio waves - that have been puzzling astronomers since they were detected ten years back, may be originating from the dwarf galaxy that lies approximately three billion light years from Earth.
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    All younpeople who are dissing our alien overlords are going to be sorry. China just wants to get ready for the new , new world order.
    There are 20 billion planets in our solar system that are similar to the earth . There are infinite solar systems. The very idea that we are alone relies on faulty logic.
    As for wasting money on science , what can I say? Are you using a computer ? OK then .
     
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    They are a little late to the game for aliens. The basis for SETI is that we could detect us, if we were aliens. So it made sense to look for them. But with satellite microwave based communications, and fiber optics, the earth is going radio silent, and soon we could no longer detect us. The age of radio only lasted a little over 100 years. So it doesn't make sense to look for alien radio signals. The era of radio is just a flash in the pan.

    It is mathematical certainty that they are out there. I would bet there are at least a dozen other civilizations are in our own galaxy. The minimum of ten was estimated based on the Drake Equation [I believe the result was 10-10,000], some time ago. Since then we have found that planets are common. We didn't know that for sure. So that could drive the number up to 100 or more, even conservatively.
     
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    Really? Prove it. The Drake equation is not proof, its just pure conjecture. You made an absolute claim, prove it.
     
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    The Drake equation provides a method of estimating the number of advanced civilizations in our galaxy. It is neither a proof or conjecture. It is an equation.

    Proof: The laws of large numbers. We know the Drake equation yields a value of at least one for this galaxy because we exist. It could be ten-thousand but we will assume it is one. We have perhaps another two-hundred billion galaxies. So even with a Drake value of one, the odds against us being a unique event are so small as to effectively be zero.

    QED

    It is interesting to consider: If we assume an average Drake value of 1000, then we might expect there to be a hundred-trillion advanced civilizations in the known universe at any time. That is 100,000,000,000,000.
     
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    A Drake value of 1000 means that only 1 in every 200,000,000 stars in our galaxy have a planet with advanced life, orbiting.
     
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    Total absolute BS.

    First you say the Drake equation is not proof or conjecture, then you use it as your "proof".

    But you do not understand the Drake equation. It is an estimate of the number of number of communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. Not in the universe. Why is it only for the Milky Way? Because that's the galaxy humans understand well enough to pretend to be able to estimate:
    1 - the average rate of star formation (reasonable confidence in this number)
    2 - the fraction of formed stars that have planets (getting into "wild ass guess" territory)

    And as to the rest of the elements of the Drake equation they are all total guesses, can't even pretend they are based on anything except fantasy:
    3 - the average number of planets per star that can potentially support life (and definitely a wild ass guess here).
    4 - the fraction of those planets that actually develop life (humans don't even know how life develops)
    5 - the fraction of planets bearing life on which intelligent civilized life developed,
    6 - the fraction of these civilizations that have developed communications that release detectable signs into space
    7 - the length of time over which such civilizations release detectable signals

    And you don't know what the Law of Large Numbers is, either.

    Your entire argument is basically to make up numbers. That's not a proof. That's bull crap.
     
  19. Pycckia

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    Reminds me of a joke about how the world's different nations would react if a space alien came to earth:

    The Americans would send scientists to study it.

    The Indians would bow down and worship it.

    The Chinese would rack their brains trying to come up with a suitable recipe.
     
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    Given the imperatives of encryption for communications that can be intercepted some one pointed out that any sufficiently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise.
     

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