Pro-choicers have been asking what punishment it is exactly pro-lifers have in mind for women who illegally get abortions... Has anyone ever read the book The Scarlet Letter ? Quick summary: the woman was required to wear a red letter "A" as punishment, which at that time served as a form of public shaming for people who strayed outside their marriage vows and committed Adultery, hence the letter "A". Shame punishments: Cheaper and more effective than jail
Thank you, once again, for confirming that Anti-Choicers ARE all about punishing women for having sex and control of their own bodies. Why would a woman be ashamed of having a legal medical procedure..... BTW, how many letters on your chest ???
Shame punishments like prison have proven to be so effective in preventing crime. Using the scarlet "A" would probably only result in the " scarlet A" becoming the most popular tattoo.
How well did it work for Adultery ??? Don't feel bad, most Anti-Choicers are 400 years behind the times ....
A straw man is when you argue against a point (that you know you can win against) that your opponent isn't making in order to make it look/feel like your opponent is losing, usually. He's saying that people who get abortions should be shamed as punishment with a Scarlet Letter. So that's not really a strawman, so much as him making stating that's what the punishment should be. What's kind of funny though, is that scarlet letter is often held up as an example in sociology of what not to do in influencing human behavior for the better. Basically, it's attaching a lifetime of stigma to somebody forcing them outside of mainstream society and probably leading to either despair or rebellion. Jail/prison can have the same effect (albeit less visually obvious), but the advantage of that is incapacitation against victimizing more people while they are incarcerated. Almost all abortions are morally okay and warrant no punishment of any kind, and not because it's legal, but because there's no person to harm yet.
Thank you once again for admitting that for Anti-Choicers it's all about punishing women for having sex........ There is NO person "in there"... Now, why can't you answer questions about your own thread? I asked if wearing a scarlet letter stopped Adultery....why can't you answer?
Actually, he's saying that other people, wrong-headed people want to shame people who get abortions. So it is a straw man. That would depend on who you're talking to.
I think what the OP's message might be advocating is requiring girls who have an abortion to stand on a corner holding a sign advising of this so zealots know who to harass, rape and murder. Did I get that correct? - - - Updated - - - The article was interesting in that the judge required someone who called police a "pig" was required to spend a night in a pigpen. Apparently the OPer agrees with that.
Yep. If a man gets a woman pregnant outside of marriage he should be castrated. Can you imagine how fast the Conservative fruit loops would get behind birth control, sex education, and the morning after pill if there was actually a penalty for sex outside marriage. . Or maybe the Republican fruit loops would just turn gay which would end the Conservative persecution of gays.
It seems to me he was speaking for pro-lifers as a pro-lifer. I'm not sure if he's correct that many pro-lifers agree with him, but it looks like he's advocating for the use of shaming. A straw man argument would mischaracterize the arguments of the other side - he's arguing for something unusual and presenting it as usual. So not really a straw man, but I see where you're coming from. Whether it's actually wrong or not does not depend on who you're talking to. Those who say abortion is wrong are simply incorrect. It isn't a matter of values, it's a matter of them not really understanding what a person is, in most cases.
I think in very old times a Scarlet Letter referred to a piece of correspondence that revealed some sort of sexual impropriety on the part of one of the intended recipients. When intercepted such a letter could be quite scandalous and taint the reputations of respectable people. It was not uncommon for counterfeit Scarlet letters to be forged, with the intention of manipulating the husband into acting against another man whom he thought was having a secret affair with his wife. Husbands could be quite jealous and believe these fake letters, no matter how outrageous or unlikely. It was common among the French nobility.
I never heard of that explanation, can you tell us where you got if from? The only Scarlet Letter I've ever heard of is the novel of that title by Nathaniel Hawthorne. It's about a woman in one of the religiously repressive Purtian colonies named Hester Prynne. She commits adultery, is caught, and forced to wear a Scarlet Letter "A" I never read the novel, btw, so if Hawthorne took it from the French custom you talk about please explain that
You are seriously going to compare an extramarital affair, which resulted in pregnancy with a child and where a woman had to wear a letter in public and be described as a "whore" to a woman of today who wishes not to have a child, for whatever reason.... My question is, do you want want a scarlet "A" for women that have an abortion. You are delusional with your thoughts.
So, anytime a man masturbates he should go to jail. Think about it, the sperm dies in the toilet or wherever.... It is coming no where close to a woman. But he can do abortions, regularly and without the aid of it entering a woman. What a waste! - - - Updated - - - You are demanding way too much.
