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Thousands,perhaps hundreds of thousands of Quebec students NOT free to learn English.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All Canadians in all provinces and in all political parties can agree that it is a terrible thing when French speaking students in Quebec lack the real freedom to learn English.

    English is obviously the primary language for international business and scientific research.

    For quite valid reasons the French speaking people of Quebec have an animosity toward us English speaking Canadians due to the events of the past four centuries but........... in the year 2015 all of us must get past those ancient hatreds and move into a new era.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wrote a note on Facebook three years ago that illustrates how all of us are forced to come together due to the seriousness of the situation that we face.

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/dann...rrency-unit-to-save-coastal-c/373261199364486

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Theoretically....... A Quebec provincial currency unit could be used to back up the film industry of Quebec and it could become proverbial for Quebec based film companies to branch out into projects in other provinces as well as in other nations.

    But......… if aspiring film producers in Quebec are actively discouraged from practicing their English through unconstitutional laws......… then how are those potential film producers going to manage dozens if not hundreds if not thousands of English speaking actors who play some role in the films that they produce and direct?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did a youtube video on this problem a few years ago where I quote somebody who lives in Quebec and knows a great deal about this problem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfrzkBSymJI

    English Speaking Canadians.wmv
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On Sunday October 18 I received a truly moving message from Prime Minister Harper's son Ben:



    I replied for the second time to his message a few moments ago:


    ...........
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The following comment will give you an idea as to why........ young people in Quebec are not entirely free to learn English:



     
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    too bad this is tucked away under
    other region, Canada

    and not a more noticeable place like maybe, Political Opinion,
    even if the are of La Canada
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you claiming that there is a law in Québec that prevents people from learning a specific language? (that is what your title implies) Or can't you get over the fact that French is the official language of Québec?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually what is happening is that people in Quebec are not being allowed to practice their English which is a little bit different.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/french-is-isolating-quebec/article4573152/


     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is your own reaction to this letter?


    Open Letter To Quebec Government. Part 1

     
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    I support a Trilingual La Canada

    Mandatory English, French and Inuit too.
    What can you expect from a Trudeau?

    It's the 21st Century.
    Time to dump on English speakers for centuries of Anglo Abuses.

    I don't agree with this, but, that's the way it is.

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


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    Restore Provincial Freedoms and Autonomy.
    Free the Peoples from Ottawa Bankers.​
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My mother's maiden name was Malloy.

    James Malloy left County Tipperary in 1791 bound for Nova Scotia, and if I wished to do so I could request dual citizenship, both Canadian as well as Irish based on my geneology.

    I grew up listening to the Irish songs of Rebellion made famous by The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem.

    I identified with mom's side of the family more so than with the Tate's and I was in my twenties before I finally clued that my last name was actually English and my dad's ancestors had been oppressing my mom's ancestors for centuries before they came by ship to Canada and intermarried!
     
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    How is your Gaelic? (Irish language)
     
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    I think it's a horrible thing that English is being oppressed.

    Now that's not to knock other languages, because I do think they have their place, but I think people should have the right to use whatever language they want. Especially English because it's one of the major languages in the world.

    Not to mention it's the only language I understand, and I couldn't learn another language to save my life! :frown:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am in the same boat Wgabrie. I have been exposed to Spanish for 15 years now and still only have a vocabulary of perhaps three hundred words. I can make myself understood by rearranging my miniscule vocabulary but..... I have almost no idea what is actually being said to me?!
     
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    It is my understanding a uniqueness of English is its' ability to change with people and times.
    I like that English has no gender nonsense with nouns, case, and plurals are simplified.
    Good series, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D7D66BB5B1DFE43

    At one time he discusses a Danish Man and his Saxon wife live on the farm. What language do they speak.
    Their nouns are mostly comprehensible to one another but, their grammar screws up communication.
    So they dump cases and introduce the preposition and word order. <ta da> No Academy required.


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    No way Dennis! I've been trying to learn Spanish for years myself. And I was never able to do it.

    Not for lack of trying, I assure you.
     
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    I'm not going to watch the entire series.

    But I agree that I like that English has gender neutral language. :cool:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Grammar was never my strongest subject..... I had to Google "preposition:"


    http://www.dailygrammar.com/Lesson-177-Prepositional-Phrases.htm
     
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    The Germans do it by cases, not word order or prepositions.
    The King visits the Pope in German is 3 words, and word order does not matter.
    Who is visiting who is by the case of the noun.
    I learned that from the Robert MacNeil series linked above.

    I understand Altaic languages and Chinese have simpler grammar and more is assumed on the listener.
    For a good time, Google: Altaic Languages. I imagine the proto altaic as being a language developed by various peoples along the polar rim of peoplekind. Maybe it was for trade purposes. From Finland to Japan.
    Across Siberia, spawning Turkic peoples and Mongols too. Good stuff, if you like that stuff :wink:


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


     
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    My wife speaks fluent German and has even been asked which part of Germany she is from by people from there. Spanish is her mother tongue........ so English is actually her third language.

    With my 56 year old brain...&#8230; I am guilty of also violating......"oh ye of little faith".... when it comes even to learning conversational Spanish????!
     
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    Wife's mother tongue was one with gender and all that grammatical agreement with adjectives, verbs, and cases.
    German has a similar structure so she was wired for the grammar.
    We English speakers are too hard wired to really take on those difficult, foreign grammars.

    Y'think? :smile:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your theory sure seems to be verified
    by my own experience!
     
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    The article is a poster case of Quebec-bashing, Dennis.

    It (rightfully) describe Montreal's poor state at the present, its destroyed infrastructures etc, and then blame it on the fact that public school education is given in french to immigrants (and does include the learning of english BTW).

    It's stupid - Montreal, where nearly all Quebec anglos live, is not doing well; the other municipalities of Quebec, like Quebec City, are doing fine. Furthermore, Quebec had a Liberal governance for almost two decades but for a 18 months interruption. Anglos in Quebec vote Liberal like in 98% proportions; It is hardly the party that imposes french, and under their rule Montreal has got more and more English-speaking. Try it: go to Montreal and find me someone who can't talk english.

    The Liberal party and its court, certainly not Quebec nationalists of any kind, are corrupt to the bone and yet still get the anglo vote, who end up blaming the Parti Quebecois and "separatists" for everything from economic woes to bad weather, even thought support for independance has never been so low.

    The real problem in Quebec is corruption, not language, and 90% of it comes from staunch federalists.
     
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