The proof of the pudding...

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  1. HBendor

    HBendor New Member

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    The proof of the pudding...
    Once again Gaza merchants using international donation diverting merchandise from <public welfare> to the terrorists Hamas to carry on building tunnels and so on... Please read...

    ISA Arrests Gaza Merchant for Diverting Building Materials to Hamas for
    Terrorist Purposes
    (Communicated by the ISA)

    The following has been allowed for publication:

    In a joint ISA-Israel Police operation, Tamer Ahmed Muhammad Barim, 36, a
    resident of Bani Suheila in the Gaza Strip, was arrested on 31 August 2015
    at Erez Crossing.

    Barim subsequently admitted that in the context of his profession as a
    merchant, he transferred hundreds of tons of building materials, which had
    been earmarked for the rehabilitation and development of the Gaza Strip,
    directly to the Hamas terrorist organization.

    The transfer of the building materials to Hamas was carried out by
    circumventing the UN monitoring system that was designed to verify that the
    materials, which were financed by donor countries and other agencies, were
    transferred for the rehabilitation of the civilian infrastructures in the
    Gaza Strip.

    The foregoing is additional evidence of Hamas's cynical exploitation of
    donated funds and materials that were designed for the rehabilitation and
    development of civilian infrastructures in the Gaza Strip, for terrorism.

    The security establishment views the event with utmost gravity and intends
    to continue its efforts to foil attempts to smuggle building materials for
    terrorist purposes and to deal with all those involved to the fullest extent
    of the law.

    Barim was indicted in the Be'er Sheva District Court, on 1 October 2015, on
    three counts of perpetrating crimes against the security of the state,
    including aiding and abetting a terrorist organization and purchasing items
    for use in terrorism.
    ________________________________________
    IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis

    Since 1992 providing news and analysis on the Middle East with a focus on Arab-Israeli relations

    Website: www.imra.org.il
     
  2. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not quite sure what thought you're trying to convey.

    I'm sure that your righteous indignation certainly cannot arise from the pitiful survival efforts of one member of the most ruthlessly persecuted populations on the face of the earth.

    First of all, your oft repeated assertion that Hamas is a "Terrorist" organization is simply the opinion of most members of a State maintaining that oldest, most brutal & heavily funded Occupation in history.

    Secondly, a blatantly bias Major Media ensures that few know of Hamas' primary governmental activities or Israel's Terrorist foundation.:

    &#8220;Hamas&#8221;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
    EXCERPT "Hamas has a welfare wing providing social services to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, including running relief programs and funding schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues.
    In particular, Hamas funded health services where people could receive free or inexpensive medical treatment. Hamas greatly contributed to the health sector, and facilitated hospital and physician services in the Palestinian territory."CONTINUED

    Just because Hamas receives money doesn't automatically mean that it is used to drive out IDF's murderous invasions that focus on the use of Human shields, deliberate destruction of civilian water treatment, hospitals, schools, power plants etc

    Many individuals throughout the world & some the most populous countries in the world do not regard Hamas as a"Terrorist Organization" such as:
    Russia, Norway, Switzerland, Brazil,] Turkey, China, Qatar etc

    It is just as likely that more of the world considers Israel a Terrorist State than it considers Hamas as a Terrorist organization given Israel dismal standing in World opinion from its genocidal Occupation:

    &#8220;BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations&#8221;
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890
    EXCERPT &#8220;The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran."CONTINUED


    While a large number of Israel's courageous & ethical Jews strongly oppose the Occupation & routine executions of Palestine's native residents, Israel's current strongly anti Peace Governments still adheres to the well documented Ethnic Cleansing "Solution" known as "Plan Dalet"

    "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel...ionisms-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/5326140
    EXCERPT &#8220;On that day in 1948, two months before Israel&#8217;s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism&#8217;s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.&#8221;CONTINUED

    For all its flaws, Hamas was overwhelmingly chosen by Gazans to function as its Government. Because Israel's powerful lobbies in the U.S. & elsewhere thwart any life sustaining aid, Hamas is left with little to repress independent, extremist groups, house the hundreds of thousands Native Palestinian Residents whose homes were destroyed by IDF.

    It was no coincidence that these demolitions were timed to leave Gaza's civilians homeless during the cruel winter elements when death by exposure is most likely.

    Just because Israel's Government run propaganda / Hasbara network trains its advocates to repeat "terror", "Terrorist" incessantly doesn't make Gaza's life supporting "Survival Tunnels" "Terror Tunnels".

    They are additionally essential as IDF's Checkpoints are infamously slow, deadly & provide IDF yet another opportunity to humiliate, provoke & execute captive Gazan's at will.

    It is noteworthy that Israel's very roots had ruthless, foreign Terrorist gangs & Mass Murders as its Foundation & "Founding Fathers". I stress "Foreign" because of the 38 signatories of Israel's declaration of Independence, only 1 was from the Region.

    Throughout history I cannot think of any existing population that has meekly submitted to the foreign Invasion & ruthless Occupation that is the core of this cruel enormity.

    Would you meekly watch your generations old home destroyed, your land confiscated & family members killed?


    Thanks
     
  3. HBendor

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    Mr Grau, please update your knowledge on <Hamas> and the Gaza strip, you seem to be lacking the latest information...

    This forum has the latest in pictures of the situation prevailing right now in Gaza together with the blustering wishful thinking of their leaders. Yes of course the Gazan will beat Israel... <IN THEIR WET DREAMS>!!!
     
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    "First of all, your oft repeated assertion that Hamas is a "Terrorist" organization is simply the opinion of most members of a State maintaining that oldest, most brutal & heavily funded Occupation in history."
    1. The fact is that Hamas is a terrorist group. Beside being illegal under international law, any attacks targeting civilians is terrorism. Hamas started by sending suicide bombers against Israeli civilians during 1990's and continued during second intifada. Since 2001 Hamas has launched thousands of rockets and mortars against Israelis killing 44(30 of them civilians) Israelis. After running a de facto state in Gaza, and after operations like Cast Lead and Pillar of defense; few rockets(with most of them launched by ISIS aligned groups opposed to Hamas) have been launched since November 2012(with exception of July-August 2014 after crackdown on Hamas in West Bank after three Jewish teenagers were kidnapped and killed by a Hamas cell in Hebron acting against Hamas central leadership; like the rocket attacks and suicide bombers this is also a terrorist attack and against international law since attacks are prohibited against all civilians which includes settlers ) 2. Israeli occupation of West Bank has not been the longest(if you say 1948, Israel obtained its independence legally and against an enemy that allied with Hitler during WW2 and attempt to invade and destroy the nascant state of Israel. China has occupied Tibet since 1950. Kashmir has been occupied by India and Pakistan since 1948(in this case Pakistan is in the wrong mostly). Chechnya since being brutally conquered in the 19th century(was one of the ethnic groups Stalin deported during WW2 for alleging being pro-Nazi) has tried to be independent fighting two wars (1994-1997 first Chechen war, 1999-2006) ; unfortunate the Chechen rebel movement since 1990's has turned to terrorism(especially with death of moderate Chechen rebel Aslan Maskhadov by Russian forces in 2005) and Wahhabi Islam(traditionally Chechnya was sufi Islam however during 1990's many Wahhabis from Persian Gulf states came to Chechnya to fight against the Russians). While Israel occupation undoubtedly has been brutal marred by human right violations with past Shin Bet heads(in the documentary gatekeeper) who helped manage the occupation agreeing; it's far from the "most brutal occupation in history". Both tibet(with millions dying since China occupied Tibet in 1950) and Chechnya(with hundreds of thousands dying in both first and second chechen wars most of them civilians) have been more brutal. Past examples would be WW2 and those who died under the holocaust. Other examples would be Belgian's rule of the Congo during 1800's which killed millions. Another example was Herero and Namaqua genocide during 1904 to 1907 when the Germans ruled Nambia.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/rocket-deaths-israel

    "Many individuals throughout the world & some the most populous countries in the world do not regard Hamas as a"Terrorist Organization" such as:
    Russia, Norway, Switzerland, Brazil,] Turkey, China, Qatar etc"
    Russia, Turkey(which Erdogan recently said he can't bring himself to condemn ISIS attack on Russian flight over Egypt), China, Qatar are all well known human right abusers.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...condemn-isis-for-shooting-down-russian-plane/

    "It is just as likely that more of the world considers Israel a Terrorist State than it considers Hamas as a Terrorist organization given Israel dismal standing in World opinion from its genocidal Occupation:"
    There is no genocide occurring. Genocide means targeted plan to wipe out a group; the Israelis aren't wiping out the Palestinians with its population growing. While Israel does commit human right abuses with some evidence during last operation in Gaza indictaing loose rules of engagement and definition of civilian targets(bombing of residential houses during last conflict usually those of terrorists when no evidence shows them having military purpose at time) it's not at level of terrorist state. For example it's not at level of Syria where barrel bombs are dropped on civilians and chemical weapons are used.

    "is noteworthy that Israel's very roots had ruthless, foreign Terrorist gangs & Mass Murders as its Foundation & "Founding Fathers". I stress "Foreign" because of the 38 signatories of Israel's declaration of Independence, only 1 was from the Region."
    Many countries have that as roots including United States(slave trade, treatment of African-Americans after slavery ended native Americans, all worse than what Israel has done). Also, Haganah was the mainstream pre state Jewish milita group and unlike Irgun(which split from Haganah) wasn't a terrorist group. Unlike in cases like United States, Israel wasn't founded on stolen land. Ottoman empire lost WW1 committing Armenian genocide at the time. As a consequences of that, they lost the middle east including Palestine. Since first aliyah Jews have come to Palestine fleeing persecution either settling on empty land or buying them from Arab landowners. During WW1 Jews were promised a Jewish home in Palestine an area that Jews have deep roots in. During WW2 Arab nationalist sided with Nazi Germany including Haj Amin Al Hussein(recruiting Bosinas into the SS). The Arabs in Palestine accepted nothing less than all of Palestine being independent which would have made the Jews living in Palestine a minority in a region of the world where minorities were never equal and where Arabs had allied with the Nazis. The Jews agreed to an adequate portion of Palestine being made a Jewish state and subsequently accepted partition plan, Arabs didn't with 5 Arab armies attempting to destroy the nascant state of Israel after they declared their independence.

    EXCERPT &#8220;On that day in 1948, two months before Israel&#8217;s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism&#8217;s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.&#8221;CONTINUED
    "While a large number of Israel's courageous & ethical Jews strongly oppose the Occupation & routine executions of Palestine's native residents, Israel's current strongly anti Peace Governments still adheres to the well documented Ethnic Cleansing "Solution" known as "Plan Dalet"
    Plan Dalet was not established as a plan to ethnically cleanse Palestine. Only if a nearby Arab village was hostile the plan allowed for the village to be taken and its residents expelled. Both Labor and Olmert under Kadima sincerely attempted to make peace deals with the Palestinians. In Labor's case it was mostly due to Arafat being a failure as a partner and leader; in Olmert's case there ran out of time to solve differences in positions between Abbas and Olmert(such as Ariel) due to 2009 elections.
    Until the Arab countries invaded after Israel declared its independence there were few expulsions with Shai(Haganah intelligence document) called "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948"(December 1947-June 1948 with Israel declaring its independence on May 14 1948) blamed only 2% of Arab refugees on explicit expulsion orders. 70% were due to Arabs fleeing after Haganah and Irgun/Stern Gang attacks. Arab calls to flight were significant in 5% of cases.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=A...anah n the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948&f=false

    Both sides need to stop ignoring any fact that it's inconvenient for them/ that shows it's not a black and white conflict.
     
  5. HBendor

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    Now I understand you.
    You are now equating a 'Terrorist organization' to 'Israel' a member of the UN...
    My friend you have unmasked yourself to what you are... an advocate for a 'Terrorist Organization'.
     
  6. HBendor

    HBendor New Member

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    Go there and visit...

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=431049&page=6&p=1065529034#post1065529034
     
  7. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've done more than "visit"

    After US Military service in Laos, I spent 10 -11 months walking, hitch hiking throughout the Mid East (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc) by myself. I was treated wonderfully throughout the Islamic world in spite of all the "EVILMUSLIMTERRORIST" US Media bias
    then, I got caught up in the '73 War & ended up working as a Medic in a Palestinian refugee camp treating some wounds that were inflicted by IDF sadists, (cigarette burns, beatings etc)
    One of the questions I was most frequently asked was "Why does America help them (Israelis) do this to us?"
    Ever since then I've wondered the same thing.

    I understand that no race, Religion, nationality etc has a monopoly on good or evil so I am not anti-Israel. Like many Israeli Jews, I strongly oppose the excesses of Israel's Right Wing, extremists & what is nothing else but the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine's native Population.

    The activities of Israel's brutal, Right wing, Militaristic, Expansionists has made it one of the most unpopular countries in the world.
    It is myopic to the extreme to think that Israel can survive long term as the dynamics in the Mid East change as they are. So, "supporting Israel" is not supporting its current criminal policies.

    Thanks
     
  8. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only thing you understand is "name calling" because you're unable to compose a mature & factual rebuttal.

    Even that, you've learned from your Hasbara Handbook:

    "Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try to get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea," (1)



    (1) &#8220;HASBARA HANDBOOK&#8221;
    http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf
    Page 8 Communication Styles:
    &#8220;Point Scoring communication ought to give the appearance of rational debate whilst avoiding genuine discussion.&#8221;
    The Handbook: &#8220;,,,,,offers an explanation for how, in its own words, "to score points whilst avoiding debate."
    Page 31 &#8220;Just walk away: When Not To Engage&#8221;:
    - &#8220;When they don&#8217;t know enough&#8221; or &#8220;over your head&#8221;

    "Guides for Activists"

    &#8220;The point of all this is not to use arguments backed by reason and evidence. It is, instead, to manipulate (the handbook's own term) an audience precisely in order not to examine arguments, not to think critically about what is being said.&#8221;

    "Creating negative connotations by name calling is done to try to get the audience to reject a person or idea on the basis of negative associations, without allowing a real examination of that person or idea,"

    &#8220;The less successful the initial attempt to close things down, the louder the next round of condemnation, the more heated the invective, the more extreme the charges, the more gratuitous the escalation.&#8221;CONTINUED


    A "Terrorist organization" is defined by its actions not its weaponry. clothing or extensive PR network.

    Both IDF & Hamas kill civilians however, IDF & Israel's extremist Policy Makers refuse to consider Peace, continue their provocative, Illegal Expansionist Policies (aka "settlements") & most "Terrifying", use banned, experimental Chemical, Genotoxic ordinance & D.I.M.E. bombs (2)

    Being an apologist for acts that make Israel a pariah state is not "Supporting Israel", it is only ensuring its eventual demise.
    Israel has too many good, bright & ethical people & too much to contribute to surrender it to a gang of Right Wing extremists that only make it less secure.

    The fact that the Netanyahu Regime has renounced any genuine interest in a just Peace has only fueled enmity toward it

    You can call me what ever you want but, in reality, I'm just a "messenger" The Facts are out there & name calling won't make them go away.





    (2) &#8220;Medical personnel claim Israel tested new weapons during attacks on Gaza&#8221;
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...-new-weapons-during-attacks-on-gaza-1.1919645

    EXCERPTS &#8220;Doctors and an ambulance officer believe Israel tested new weapons during its July 8th &#8211; August 26th assault on the Gaza Strip.
    &#8220;We saw third-degree burns that cannot be explained; neither flame burns nor chemical burns.

    It was as if the patient became mummified, and most of them died. Their skin blackened and their tissue became tough and solid. I saw dozens of patients like this in the intensive care unit,

    . &#8220;I saw more than a dozen bodies that looked normal, with no marks or wounds. But when we touched them they were slippery. If you tried to pick them up, the flesh fell off like jelly. We had to roll them in blankets.&#8221;
    CONTINUED
     
  9. HBendor

    HBendor New Member

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    Like all Arabs you fantasy has not borders... Israel does not have what you describe.
    Seems to me that this is gas and Israel does not use that.
    Syria is the address... they probably were bombed by Assad and they told you its Israel because it is easier to implicate a Jew.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is it easier to implicate a Jew? Since the Holocaust anybody implicating a jew will be called an antisemite pretty quick. It is much easier in the Western World today to pick on Muslims or just about anybody other than a Jew. Or maybe a Buddhist Monk!
     
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    I will let Arlene Kushner the (best journalist in Israel) respond with a few basic <sparkles>... read on

    The standard PA line is that Judea and Samaria are “occupied” by Israel and constitute what should be the “Palestinian state.” Many people buy this line.

    But now and again – and it seems to be happening more frequently of late, perhaps because the PA is bolder – the truth slips out: They see ALL of the land between the river and the sea as “occupied,” and belonging to their state.

    Abbas slipped in his speech to the UN General Assembly on September 30, when he said, "Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, haven't you wondered: For how long will this protracted Israeli occupation of our land last? After 67 years, how long?” The State of Israel was founded 67 years ago.

    Shortly after, two posts on the Facebook page of the PA Security Forces referred to the Israeli cities of Haifa and Acre as “occupied.”

    http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=16127

    This is important because the truth of the PA must be exposed.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Abbas continues with his standard, varied threats: to cut off from cooperation with Israel, to bring charges against Israel in the ICC, etc. On Sunday, he visited Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah Sisi and asked him to use his influence with international parties to pressure Israel to stop “provocations and assaults” against the Aksa mosque.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Very recently, the current Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, who was appointed by Abbas, made the claim that there have never been Jewish temples on the Temple Mount: A mosque has been on the Mount “since the creation of the world,” he said. It was built by angels in Adam’s time.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-mufti-denies-temple-mount-ever-housed-jewish-shrine/

    Go argue with this. There is a strain of a-historical Muslim religious thinking that maintains there was Islam before Islam was founded.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    My friends, this is an intolerable situation that cannot go on – and yet which IS going on:

    Sunday morning, at Tapuah Junction in Samaria, a terrorist drove his car into a crowd of pedestrians – one a pregnant woman; four were injured, including one seriously. The driver was shot dead by Border Police.

    Scene of attack at Tapuah junction
    Credit: YNet

    Two hours later, a security guard was injured in a stabbing attack outside of Beitar Illit in Gush Etzion. The terrorist was shot and wounded.

    Please see the startling video of the terrorist, a woman of apparently innocent appearance, as she suddenly pulls out her knife:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/203074
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing to do with my question to you, you stated it is easier to implicate a Jew, without resorting to cut and paste, can you explain that sentence, stick to the point please! I find waffle tiresome.
     
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    It has a lot to do with your question... when you come to seek justice come with clean hands first. To illustrate the above I just received a note from a German Doctor operating in Munich... here goes.

    A Female Physician in Munich, Germany sends a message to the world . . . . . .
    Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

    Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

    Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

    Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

    Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

    Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

    I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

    For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time.

    In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

    The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

    And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in Bavaria, and without medical help.

    Is this "situation" coming to America?

    I surely hope not!
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I love it when you over reach yourself and write pure rubbish,

    On 8 October 2015, the web site The Right Scoop published the above-reproduced missive as an article headlined "MUST WATCH: Whistleblower Doctor Explains HORRIFIC Reality Dealing with Muslim Invaders in Germany" &#8212; not long afterwards, verbatim versions of the same commentary began circulating in an e-mail frequently titled "A Female Physician in Munich, Germany Sends a Warning Message to The World..." The Right Scoop claimed credit for transcribing the letter from the video embedded above; but whether that translation is an accurate one is unclear. A longer version of the same clip was uploaded to YouTube on 6 October 2015, and both clips began with what appeared to be repetition of an older rumor involving refugees and Oktoberfest.
    http://www.snopes.com/female-physician-munich/

    H Bendor you did not receive a note from a german doctor operating in Munich, that is a lie(again). If you must re hash Hasbara Shrill propaganda than at least credit forum members with enough intelligence for you not to use old ones!

    Now, let me ask you for the third time, hopefully you will not resort to fictitious notes you did not receive!
    How is it easier to implicate a Jew?
     
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    possum likes rice puddin'...

    ... an' Uncle Ferd likes figgy puddin'.
    :wink:
     
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    I think you've already learned the answer to: "How is it easier to implicate a Jew?" by the extremes to which the Poster will go to avoid answering your question, in this case, by slandering Muslims.

    Congratulations on an excellent & revealing rebuttal to: "The proof of the pudding..."
     
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    Thanks, it is interesting to watch on here how Hasbara Shrills often work, print a lie then just disappear, no sense of honour, no apology and of course absolutely no retraction of the dis information. The "e-mail" which H Bendor did not receive has been debunked, but it has spread around the web like wildfire as the Hasbara Shrills try to get their dis-information out there.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right, I saved the page in which "H Bendor" exposed himself with the "message" from his Dr. in Munich.

    I'm afraid that most people assume that they're dealing with a single, pro Zionist / Occupation individual & occasionally they are. However, most of the time their well supported comment ends up in a "Hasbara War Room"
    &#65279;
    &#65279;&#65279;I'm sure you've seen their "Hasbara Handbook"

    The following is a very informative & comprehensive, up-to-date article of Hasbara Propaganda with plenty of llinks & sources:

    "Israel: The Hasbara Handbook. Are you persuadable?"
    http://revolution-news.com/israel-hasbara-handbook-persuadable/

    And

    Jonathon Blakeley: A guide to Hasbara trolls &#8212; Gilad Atzmon
    www.gilad.co.uk/.../jonathon-blakeley-a-guide-to-hasbara-trolls.html&#8206;

    And, we can't trust Wikipedia to be "Fair & Balanced":

    "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups"
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

    EXCERPT "Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.
    Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."CONTINUED

    And:

    &#8220;The Israel Project&#8217;s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE
    DICTIONARY&#8221;
    http://www.stopdebezetting.com/documents/pdf/090713Hasbara handboek_tip_report.pdf

    - - - - - - -

    Before an anti-Occupation Poster submits his or her first Post, he or she should see a few photos of a Hasbara War Room to get an idea who's really likely to be on the other end.
    &#65279;
    "Israel student union sets up &#8220;war room&#8221; to sell Gaza massacre on Facebook"
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae0_1405460103#8Cco1lU45PUgV43D.99

    When I know that I'm dealing with a paid, full time,. scripted & State Supported Hasbara Troll, I only write for the benefit of other readers who may be reading the Post & watch the amount of time I allow them to consume on wasted verbiage.

    Thanks again & Non carborundum illegitimi
     
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    Illegitimi Non Carborundum!

    The E Mail I received through a tourist friend in Germany was legit and you can take that to the Bank. Now, twisting the whole sequence to give substance to your suspicions... is something that the readers will have to decide.
     
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    You mention nothing about a "tourist friend" you clearly state a Doctor from Munich.
    "To illustrate the above I just received a note from a German Doctor operating in Munich..."
    That E Mail has appeared time and time again it is a lie, debunked and proven so.
     
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    Slandering Muslims????????? The idea never came to mind...
    The Muslims are doing a <superb job> at it i.e. the downing of a civilian Russian Plane over Sinai... and the massacre of civilians watching a show in Paris.
     
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    I am not going here into details... the friend in Germany must have picked this information and relayed it to me. I am happy I posted it!!!!!!!!!

    Now for your enjoyment, here is something I received from the UK...

    This is the best e-mail this week !!!

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/RWcVguB0GaY
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You tried to pass an E mail which has been circulating on the web as one you had personally received from a Doctor, now you claim to of received it from a "tourist". But you still refuse to answer my question "How is it easier to implicate a Jew?"
     
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    That you are happy to of posted a lie tells us much, that you would present that lying e mail as if it was sent to you by a German Doctor tells us even more. It is good that you are admitting to being happy to post E Mails that have been debunked and being dishonest about the sources you received it from since people will now look at evidence and sources posted by some Zionists with suspicion, in the light of your admissions.
     
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    The above is an implication that does not deserve any consideration.
    Educators do not lie!... That you and your minions are trying to make a big production out of a message I received from a touring friend passing through Germany is no skin of my nose. This closes the chapter and adios!
     

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