What is The Militia

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Under US law, there are two forms of The Militia.

    The first is the Organized Militia, being the National Guard and the State Militia, which is like the National Guard but for each state and cannot be sent overseas to supplement the Army, Navy, Marines, etc..

    The second is the unOrganized Militia, which is all able-bodied men age 17 to 45, who are not members of the Armed Forces, National Guard, or State Militia, and shall be called forth to aid the US govt. in times of crisis.

    This is per Federal Law.

    However, Federal Law doesn't say that the unOrganized Militia may train & operate, outside of times of crisis, with zero supervision and discipline from the government. They are basically just a standby source of manpower. Not a private army that may train & practise in uniform outside of a time of crisis.

    Private armies, aka "Militia", such as the Michigan Militia, should register with their state, get yearly training and supervision, or be deemed illegal.
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your missing the point of the "Militia", it's not a reserve it's a tool for checks and balances. You know, for the government?

    Why would you want standard training for your militias? Their most useful role will be guerilla style warfare and anyone can engage in guerilla combat, ambush run hide repeat. You don't want the opposition to know your tactics so that's a big ole nope.

    The inner tolitarian is running rampant inside you isn't it?
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're saying the US Constitution created a Militia that would be used to ovethrow the US govt?

    LOL!!!!!
     
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    No he's saying the U.S. government forms a regulated militia in order to uphold freedom for the citizens of the U.S. in case of a tyrannical government, that well regulated militia is also known as the national guard which, in reading the second amendment, has the right to declare martial law and coup the federal and state governments.

    U.S. Constitution-Second amendment-
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
     
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    You're under the impression activities not explicitly sanctioned by federal law are illegal?
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    a free state, meaning a nation free from invasion or insurrection.

    as stated in the Constitution.

    you cannot honestly say that the USC created the means to form an army that would destroy the US govt.
     
  7. Veryclever

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    Yes I am, and they did so knowing this would never happen. Except for that one time in the mid 1800's when the country was in civil war, and we had the separatists states in the south who used their standing militia's to fight against the united states in the north in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government of that time.
     
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    The US Constitution was ratified by the States with safeguards to ensure the Federal Government didn't become totalitarian. It was the States that insisted on measures to ensure the Federal Government that was being formed could be kept in check.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and yet no Unorganized Militia is mentioned in the Constitution.

    only the Organized one
     
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    They were not trying to overthrow the government, they were trying to leave the Union.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    in order to preserve human slavery
     
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    No, meaning exactly what it says. Let's not forget that any state is constitutionally empowered to make war if "actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."
     
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    Yes. The term "Militia" is used.

    The Organized Militia is described in the Militia Act of 1903.

    The Unorganized Militia is described in Sec 313 Title 32 of the US Code.
     
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    Certainly that was a good part of it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    but not the US Constitution.

    it only mentions the Organized Militia, which is to be supervised and regulated by the govt.
     
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    It only mentions Militia.

    The Organized Militia is described in the Militia Act of 1903.

    The Unorganized Militia is described in Sec 313 Title 32 of the US Code.

    We have many things in Federal Law that are not described in the Constitution. What is your point?
     
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    A bunch of crazy people banding together in likeminded craziness.
     
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    Don't feed the trolls. He has started this same thread repeatedly and been refuted repeatedly. Either he's doing it as a joke, or he's paid to do it, or he's just playing games.
     
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    Which side attacked first?
     
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    I believe Thomas Jefferson said it first. Yes, he thought that ARMED citizens could and should overthrow a tyrannical U.S. government.

    Don't give me any cra* about F-16s.

    PS: LOL
     
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    Well, once the States succeeded from the Union they demanded the removal of Federal Troops from their States. The test of strength began at Fort Sumter and the South ultimately lost. What is your point?
     
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    Troll? Perhaps it is YOU that should research what our founding fathers (Jefferson) said about the obligation of citizens to revolt against a tyrannical government. Jefferson wasn't 100% confident that scoundrels couldn't be elected or removed from office except by force. Force by the collective means of the citizens.
     
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    so why didn't the Constitution mention anything about an unorganized militia?
     
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    Like the American Revolution?
     
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    What was appropriate hundreds of years ago, may not be considered sane today.
     

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