For anybody that thinks America was not founded under Christianity

Tell me, what's it say on your currency? It said the same thing, back when it was just coins. Most importantly, when being sworn in as president, what hand must be placed on what book?

In 1620, the Pilgrims, upon arriving in America, formed a compact called the Mayflower Compact that begins with these words: “In the name of God, Amen…Having undertaken for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian Faith…a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the Northern parts of Virginia” (HWJV, p. 224).

James Madison reveals his viewpoint, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, but upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God” (WIJHNBB, p. 71).

In 1778, George Washington wrote a letter to a fellow patriot in which he noted how he had seen God’s hand at work, “The hand of Providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations” (WIAWACNA, p.10).

Patrick Henry, a patriot of the Revolutionary period, said, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” (WIJHNBB, p. 67). How do those who deny that our nation had a Godly beginning ignore statements like this?

At the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, Samuel Adams said, “We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come” (WIJHNBB, p. 67).

Even Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, the two men most difficult to pin down as to their beliefs, spoke positively of God: Ben Franklin said to George Washington, at the Constitutional Convention, “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth – that God Governs in the affairs of men” (Barton, p. 109 [emphasis his]).

Thomas Jefferson: “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever…” (http://americanvision.org/6379/six-myths-of-american-history/#.UFUQn65o_KQ). We would be wise to heed the words of Mr. Jefferson.

 

Then the Founding Fathers should have let the Pope be the head of the United States.

 

To be Christian doesn't mean to be Catholic [I'm Protestant ...].

 

But they didn't now did they? AND they were Judeo Christian theists. How'd THAT happen?

 

Hmm. So what. Makes no difference what their beliefs were.
What makes a difference is they made a distinction between their beliefs and how the country was to be run.
Free from the shackles of religion. Afterall, it was a big reason for leaving the place they came from.

 

was Jesus ever mentioned in any of the founders documents?

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

""Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." "

 

In god we trust wasn't put on any US currency (coin or paper) till around 100 years after the US's foundation, and didn't become a common slogan for our paper currency until the 1950s. Furthermore "in god" is not an allegiance to Christ

Whatever book the elected candidate chooses, John Quincy Adams was not sworn in on a bible but a law book, his rationale was he was swearing to uphold the law. If the elected candidate wanted to be sworn in on a Quran that can be done legally. There are no legal requirements to be sworn in on the bible

The Pilgrims predate the foundation of the US government, but more importantly they weren't the only people occupying the North American continent. There were also Native Americans of pagan faith, and some slaves of Islamic faith occupying the region. Also, it has been recently discovered that before the pilgrims or Christopher Columbus, North America was discovered by Vikings

James Madison is indeed an important figure in our nation's foundation, being the main author of our constitution. However, he also wrote

“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”

"In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people"

"The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty"

“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”

Once again, the use of the word god is not an allegiance to Christ.. many of the founding fathers (including the author of Common Sense and The Crisis) were not Christian, but Deist. Meaning they are not atheists, but they also do not believe in an interventionist god or the bible.. However, that isn't to say that the US was founded on deism either. The US government is and always has been neutral to all churches

The treaty of Tripoli (issued by John Adams) also reads "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

Statements like this only demonstrate that many of the people who founded the US were of the Christian faith, however, it was not their intention to create a Christian government.

Samuel Adams was indeed of the Christian faith, and even got in a bit of turmoil with his fellow founding fathers for their lack of faith in Christianity (see Thomas Paine's letter to Samuel Adams) http://www.deism.com/paine_essay_sam_adams.htm

Again, this does not mean the US government was founded on Christianity or Deism, it just further demonstrates how the continent was made up of people from different faiths, and how the foundation of the US was never intended to be dedicated to any of them, be it a minority or a majority who occupy the land

Actually, it is not difficult to pin down Franklin's belief, because Mr. Franklin wrote in his own autobiography that he was a Deist

"Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist"

Franklin's last written words on his faith were of him confirming his deist beliefs

Thomas Jefferson was also not a Christian, but a Deist.

President Jefferson wrote

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter"

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes"

"It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams"

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law"


Now this isn't to say that the majority religion in the US was not Christianity. Indeed the US was founded by many individuals who were loyal to the Christian faith. However, founding fathers such as Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were not Christian men, they were Deists.

and as I said before, this isn't to say the US was founded on Deism or Christianity. The intention of the written laws created at the foundation of the US were to create a government neutral to all faiths

 

*shrug* They also thanked their King.




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Your right it is not required to swear in on the Bible. If more president's have than have not, does this not tell you where we stand on this matter?

 

The founding fathers indeed was forming a nation on behalf of the God of Israel. However they understood the consequences of church and state. Therefore they worded the constitution accordingly. They wanted a Christian nation but knew it would go against their ideas. So they did it anyways, hiding it with the fact that government cannot advocate religion amongst the citizens, rather freedom of religion. This does not change the fact that 90%of the founders were openly Christians, and attended church on Sundays. While writing the constitution and therein, the word God, is by no means a God of any other religion than Christianity. What other God would they be referring to, when they were openly Christian? Has common sense completely vanished?

 

Are Freemasons Christians?
No. Freemasons use Christian principles.

Many Presidents were Freemasons, including George Washington.

America was founded under Christian PRINCIPLES, not necessarily Christianity.
There is a difference.

 

Most of the founding fathers were not Christian. They had contempt for Christianity.

 

The Declaration of Independence specifically mentions the Judeo-Christian God. Not Allah. Not Buddha. Not Zeus.

 

If that were truly the case, if the Founders were solely concerned with creating a Christian State - why wouldn't they simply have a
state sponsored Church or state sanctioned church (Church of England style or the Church/State relationship of Spain). And
considering the consequences of admitting to be an atheist in those days, going to church wasn't really an option was it? Atheists
couldn't operate a successful business. Atheist were shunned and denied business contracts. A Founding Father couldn't
really come "out of the closet" as an agnostic or atheist, now could he, unless he wanted to be shunned by the community.

So make assumptions about the ACTUAL feelings of each and every Founder ... lots of assumptions going on there on your part.

 

http://www.alternet.org/story/15598...t_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation

Worthy of a quick read

 

Go ask a Native American how he feels about Christianity and how GREAT! it was for the Indians of this country

 

You need to study history.

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You mean the many who died from disease? They probably dislike illegal aliens.

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Must have been hindus...

 

The Founding Fathers only goal regarding religion was to avoid a state sponsored religion, like the Catholic Church at the Vatican, the Church of England, the Lutheran Church in Sweden, etc.

They did not expect prayer to be banned in schools or manger scenes to be banned from public parks. They expected religion to play a major role in our public life.

Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

 

Oh! you mean the first evidence of White people using Biological terrorism against Native Americans

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...mallpox-lord-jeffrey-amherst-dies-1797-150712

 

No it doesn't.

 

Bwaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa!

 

Silly Rabbit, Jews and Muslims also believe in trusting God.

 

we are not and never were a Christian nation, though sometimes Christians have been in charge politically



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Yet they are not based on Christian principles.

 

Yet there is enough evidence to point to the fact that U.S. is based on Christian principles ... it IS our culture.