Black Separatist Groups Surge - Nearly Tying KKK groups. Where's the Media?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Brewskier, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Racism, as discussed in American society, is almost unilaterally described as a one way street — from whites, to non-whites. Whenever a non-white racist commits a crime against whites, the progressive narrative is to usually deflect to long ago atrocities committed by the KKK and other such groups. Nowadays, racism is increasingly becoming a mostly non-white affair. Even though blacks are only 13% of the US population, about 4-5 times smaller than that of non-Hispanic whites, there are nearly as many racist black separatist groups as there are KKK groups.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-year-of-%e2%80%98enormous-rage-number-of-hate-groups-rose-by-14-percent-in-2015/ar-BBpBN6d?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

    And with all the bluster about there being this rising tide of anti-immigrant rhetoric, there are only 12 groups that the heavily biased SPLC identifies as anti-immigrant hate groups:

    [​IMG]

    So when will racism from blacks be discussed by so-called anti-racist progressives and social justice warriors? My guess is never.
     
  2. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So which group under SLPC's graph do you fall into?
     
  3. DarkSkies

    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    4,522
    Likes Received:
    583
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hmmmmm, this is interesting. Somehow, I thought the Klan became a small irrelevant faction.

    I wonder if the SPLC is able to group some of these together in another report. Like for example, group at least the Klan, racist skinhead, racist music, neo-nazi etc together. That way, we can see hate groups by race and see that the Black separatist is still dwarfed.

    Lastly, I'm not sure Black Separatists groups can be called hate groups. Some of these groups don't see a place in mainstream society so they work to create enclaves that are much more receptive to their presence. Because of this, it is difficult for me to accept this report in its current presentation. Moreover, anti-immigration could be a misnomer. Some of these groups are actually anti-illegal immigration.
     
  4. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,600
    Likes Received:
    22,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't see black separatism per se as a hate ideology. Lot's of groups advocate separation for themselves. We don't consider Benedictines as a hate group. I guess what would make it hate is if they advocate kill whitey to get their separation, rather than doing it peacefully.
     
  5. micfranklin

    micfranklin Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2009
    Messages:
    17,729
    Likes Received:
    1,887
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Interestingly enough, KKK, racist skinheads, white nationalists, neo-Nazi and racist music groups combined make up a total of 484 groups.
     
  6. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,883
    Likes Received:
    37,590
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What do you think SPLC is if not an anti-racist progressive social justice org???
     
  7. democrack

    democrack Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2014
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Doesn't sell , they are not interested ! Acceptable behavior with the libs .
     
  8. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,883
    Likes Received:
    37,590
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Is SouthernPoverty Law Center a RW group?
     
  9. Alucard

    Alucard New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2015
    Messages:
    7,828
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So, these statistics should give Trump the momentum to bring back Segregation. His followers would practically colonize the man if he promised to bring back Segregation.
     
  10. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2008
    Messages:
    65,277
    Likes Received:
    4,601
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Racism is lame no matter whom is the racist, no matter what color tier skin may be. Black separatists are as equally lacking in logic and morality as white separatists or white nationalists.

    Idiocy is idiocy, no matter if the racist is white or black.
     
  11. democrack

    democrack Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2014
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You tell me , I assume your a member .
     
  12. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,883
    Likes Received:
    37,590
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not clear, is this post intended to hide ignorance or just to avoid answering the question?
     
  13. democrack

    democrack Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2014
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Sounds like your avoiding, are you a member ? I have no clue who they are nor do I give a ratsbutt .
     
  14. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    109,883
    Likes Received:
    37,590
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You don't know who they are but know liberals won't touch this. Comical.
     
  15. democrack

    democrack Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2014
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Try to make sense ! What point were you attempting to make , do you even remember ? Who are these friends of yours ?
     
  16. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,469
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who decides what is 'hate':

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016...both-are-victims-left-wing-smear-machine.html

    TERRORISM
    What do Ben Carson, Frank Gaffney share? Both are victims of a left-wing smear machine
    Fred Fleitz
    By Fred Fleitz Published February 19, 2016 FoxNews.com
    Facebook48 Twitter0 livefyre34 Email Print
    Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson speaks during a campaign rally at the Sharonville Convention Center, Tuesday, Sept. 22, 2015, in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)
    Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson speaks during a campaign rally at the Sharonville Convention Center, Tuesday, Sept. 22, 2015, in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)
    This week, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) named my organization, the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a “hate group” because of our work highlighting the threat from radical Islam. CSP will join other conservative groups such the Family Research Council, Liberty Counsel and WorldNetDaily, all of which SPLC has smeared by listing them alongside neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups.

    The SPLC is best known for its work decades ago fighting legal battles against segregation in the South. But it long ago morphed into a far left group with one purpose: manufacturing material to slander conservatives for use by the news media and on the Internet.

    CSP President Frank Gaffney has been on another SPLC hate list for several years along with American Enterprise Institute scholar Charles Murray, Accuracy in Media President Cliff Kinkaid (who SPLC has singled out for challenging global warming), Robert Spencer (the founder of director of Jihad Watch blog), Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin (executive vice president of the Family Research Council), WorldNetDaily founder Joseph Farah and other conservatives. Joining them on this list are an assortment of neo-Nazis, KKK members and white supremacists.

    Dr. Ben Carson was placed on a SPLC “extremist watch list” in 2014 because of statements he made in defense of traditional marriage. But after a public outcry, the SPLC was forced to withdraw this designation and issue an apology to Carson in February 2015.

    Among the many false claims in the SPLC’s new list of hate groups is that Gaffney and the Center for Security Policy have been banned from participating in the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) and that Gaffney’s banishment from CPAC “probably earns him points with Trump.”

    Although CPAC and the Center have had some differences in the past, this is no longer the case. Gaffney and the Center were present at CPAC last year and will have an expanded presence in 2016.

    I will be speaking at CPAC 2016 conference next month on behalf of the Center on the Iranian and North Korean missile programs.

    To show how sloppy the SPLC’s research is, a 2015 SPLC report noted that Gaffney and the Center were present at CPAC’s 2015 conference and that the Center was a sponsor.

    As ridiculous as the SPLC hate lists may sound, they often are taken seriously by the liberal media. These lists almost had deadly consequences in 2012 when Floyd Corkins, a volunteer at a gay-rights group, entered the office lobby of the Family Research Council with the intention of killing as many of the Council’s employees as possible because of the organization’s opposition to same-sex marriage.

    Corkins shot and injured a building manager before he was disarmed. He decided to launch a killing spree against the Family Research Council and another conservative organization after he read about their opposition to gay marriage in the SPLC’s hate lists.

    While SPLC regularly lumps conservatives with neo-nazis and white supremacists for being anti-gay, anti-immigrant, Islamophobes, white nationalists or for miscellaneous hate (such disbelieving in global warming), it refuses to put liberal individuals and groups on their hate lists.

    For example, the SPLC had nothing to say last summer when left wing groups like MoveOn.org, the Daily Kos, Credo and the National Iranian American Council attacked Jewish congressmen who opposed the nuclear deal with Iran like Senator Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) by questioning their loyalty to this country.

    Elliot Abrams decried this bigotry in an August 10, 2015 article in The Weekly Standard:

    “The basic idea is simple: to oppose the president’s Iran deal means you want war with Iran, you’re an Israeli agent, you are in the pay of Jewish donors, and you are abandoning the best interests of the United States. So Dan Pfeiffer, senior political adviser to Obama until this winter, tweeted that Senator Charles Schumer—who announced his opposition to the Iran deal last week—should not be Democratic leader in the Senate because he “wants War with Iran.”

    SPLC also has been silent on a growing anti-Semitism on the left and how American colleges are ignoring violence against Jewish students in Israel and the United States.

    On the other hand, the SPLC has joined President Obama in jumping on the fraudulent Islamophobia bandwagon. That’s why CSP and Gaffney caught its attention.
     
  17. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    17,608
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When Hispanics become the controlling majority. It is why the GOP today is shooting themselves in the foot. If they wanted to end abortion and welfare and black violence and lawlessness, they would take the money they want to spend on a wall buying first class plane tickets for Hispanics. Instead they sit back and slight them like they are the same as gangbangers, and the old white rich conservative party will pay a huge price for that in a generation.
     
  18. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2015
    Messages:
    12,469
    Likes Received:
    1,972
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here's more:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...83ab49ed5e6a_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop_b

    National
    The rise of black nationalist groups that captivated killers in Dallas, Baton Rouge

    By Kevin Sullivan July 23 at 12:50 PM

    Members of the New Black Panther Party protest near the site of the Republican National Convention on July 16 in Cleveland. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
    Micah Xavier Johnson, who killed five police officers in Dallas, was increasingly drawn to black nationalist ideology and attended several meetings of the People’s New Black Panther Party.

    Gavin Eugene Long, who killed three officers in Baton Rouge, said he belonged to the Wa(*)(*)(*)(*)aw Nation, an obscure black nationalist group that claims ownership to the huge swath of the United States obtained in the Louisiana Purchase on the belief that they are descended from a U.S. indigenous group.

    The People’s New Black Panther Party and the Wa(*)(*)(*)(*)aw Nation have vastly different ideologies and no direct ties to each other, but they are part of a broad landscape of black nationalist groups playing a role in the country’s violent summer 2016.

    [Aren’t more white people than black people killed by police? Yes, but no.]

    “There are a few big groups and a lot of little ones, and they are growing in an echo chamber where all they hear is ‘anger, anger, anger, anger, anger,’ ” said J.J. MacNab, an author and George Washington University researcher who specializes in extremism.

    Some of these entities espouse extremist, anti-government views, and their numbers jumped from 113 groups in 2014 to 180 last year, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremism.

    Ryan Lenz, an SPLC analyst, said that increase has partly been a response to a rise in white supremacist and white nationalist activity amid the racially charged environment of the past two years, including the 2016 presidential campaign. For example, SPLC figures show that the number of Ku Klux Klan chapters increased from 72 in 2014 to 190 last year.


    Loyal White Knights Grand Dragon Will Quigg of Anaheim, Calif., center, shouts to protestors during a “White Pride” rally in Rome, Ga., on April 23. (Mike Stewart/Associated Press)
    “There is tremendous racial tension in this political environment,” Lenz said. “The idea of an ‘us-versus-them’ ideology is being pushed very heavily no matter what political camp you are from.”

    Analysts said it is impossible to determine exactly how many people are involved in black nationalist groups. But officials at both the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League, which also tracks extremism, said the numbers are probably in the hundreds at most. A former FBI official who supervised domestic terrorism cases in recent years also said, “We are talking dozens of people.”


    A numbers game
    Most of the black nationalist groups have formed in response to a perception that U.S. society is deeply racist against black people. However, how they organize and what they do to achieve their goals vary greatly.

    [A tough day in Baton Rouge: Prominent activist detained and confrontations with Black Panthers]

    Some seem to exist only as online forums for expressing rage, often against police. One group Johnson had “liked” on Facebook was the African American Defense League, which has a photo of an arsenal of guns as its profile picture.

    Even though the group has more than 1,000 likes on Facebook, Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, called it “one guy with a Facebook page” and limited influence.

    Following the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown by police officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Mo., the Anti-Defamation League said the site featured a photo of Wilson with this notation: “When you find Darren Wilson you know what to do! Whoever finds him knows what must be done! Take everything that he took from Mike Brown.”


    According to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, membership of black nationalist groups numbers in the hundreds at most. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
    A similar group, the Black Riders Liberation Party, which calls for armed revolution against racism in the United States, has a Facebook page with more than 9,600 likes. It is run by a man who calls himself General T.A.C.O. — short for “Taking All Capitalists Out” — and who calls police “pigs.”

    This month, the group posted on its Facebook page in response to police killings in Louisiana and Minnesota: “It’s on in 2016! R.I.P. to Alton Sterling in La and Philando Castile in Minnesota! We need recruits everywhere! Arm yourself of Harm yourself!”

    Segal said those smaller groups “orbit around” the New Black Panther Party for Self Defense (NBPP), a black militant separatist group started in Dallas in 1989, but that they do not directly coordinate their efforts with them.

    Other groups are larger and more formally organized, holding meetings and attending rallies, often wearing the classic militant uniform of black clothes and a black beret. In some cases, they carry weapons.
     
  19. MrNick

    MrNick Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,234
    Likes Received:
    61
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There are a ton of black hate groups and they're batshiznit crazy..

    Here are one of the more bizarre ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

    Of course you have the more known ones such as the Nation of Islam, New Black Panther Party and even Vice Lords. Of course you have the crazy radical Rastafarians but of course the SPLC designates them a "cult" for some reason..

    But yea, these groups are absolutely hate groups and separatist groups.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yea, with like 10 members each and most of them hate one another.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Hispanics aren't going to become the majority - at least not for 200 years.
     
  20. micfranklin

    micfranklin Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2009
    Messages:
    17,729
    Likes Received:
    1,887
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ONLY 10 members each? That's a really small estimate there.
     
  21. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,600
    Likes Received:
    22,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm just saying that just because you don't want to live near white people doesn't mean you hate them. There are a lot of groups under the umbrella of black separatism, and although quite a few are "hate" groups, I assume some are not.
     
  22. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    31,455
    Likes Received:
    34,888
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where's the media?

    I guess when black separatist groups start lynching white people or burning crosses on their lawns or take over federal building with armed encampments, then there will be coverage ... a handful of people making
    angry posts on a website or street corner? Not really going to bring viewers to their TVs.

    But take heart, angry white dudes, you can always wail and gnash your teeth about the inequities of the world right here and you can pretend it's important.
     
  23. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    15,501
    Likes Received:
    3,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maybe lots of potentially angry folks are stock piling and preparing not to gnash teeth should the need arise.
     

Share This Page