Palestinians are Arabs = they must be from Arabia, and not indigenous. Really??

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  1. klipkap

    klipkap Well-Known Member

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    There is a separate thread that examines the ancestry of the Palestinians, and, amongst many other forum threads, it led to the creation of this one. It can be found here - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...s-not-mainly-indigenous-palestine-really.html

    The current thread is intended to examine 'support' provided in that thread that Palestinians must be from Arabia, because they are Arabs. The 'evidence' for this claim is provided in a video and a Frontpage Magazine article - http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262397/religion-colonialism-daniel-greenfield.

    At first glance the claim would appear to have merit. Arabs do indeed come from the Hejaz (Arabia). But there is also a process called 'Arabisation' in which peoples who are NOT of Arabian origin can come to be called Arabs. As an example of the false conclusions that can be drawn by not wanting to recognise this simple process, the Frontpage article stated:
    And of course, that is unadulterated nonsense. Because Islam first came to the western coast of India with Arab traders as early as the 7th century AD to coastal Malabar, and those traders did not conquer and colonise India - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India. Intensive missionary activities were carried out along the coast and many natives also embraced Islam. True, there was later invasion which led to the establishment of the Delhi sultanate. But Turcic people did not swarm into northern India and colonise it. Later the Moghuls invaded. Ask yourself this - how many Indians do you know who have Mongul-shaped eyes. Exactly. The Mughal Empire did not try to intervene in the local societies during most of its existence, but rather balanced and pacified them through new administrative practices, and diverse and inclusive ruling elites,They were invaders; rulers; but not mass settlers. And exactly the same was the case in Palestine.

    So what is this "Arabisation" that cause the Palestinians to become known as Arabs? Sadek Jawad Sulaimanis’ (former Ambassador of Oman to the United States) wrote an article eloquently describing the process: “The Arabs are defined by their culture, not by race … Beyond that, he or she might be of any ancestry” [unwieldy URL]
    Arabisation is a multifaceted process. It is dominantly the acceptance of the Arab religion, Islam. It usually also involves the gradual dominance of the Arabic language, and perhaps its ultimate pervasiveness.
    Arabisation involves the assimilation of the Arab culture.
    In this way, a people, like the Berbers or Amazighs, an ethnic group indigenous to North (-West) Africa, became Arabised. The majority of North Africa's population is believed to be Berber in origin, although due to Arabization most ethnic Berbers identify as Arabized Berbers. According to Berber nationalists, although a North African may only speak Maghrebi Arabic as opposed to a Berber language, this person is still essentially Berber since he or she is ancestrally of Berber origin. They almost invariably adhere to the Arabic faith, Islam. They have adopted many Arab customs. [Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabized_Berber]

    And as with the Indian Muslims and more particularly the Arabised Berbers, so the people who occupied Palestine in the late-Byzantine era (6th C), gradually over time converted to Islam, accepted Arabic as their language, and integrated with the Arab culture. But they remain largely descendants of the Canaanites Philistines, Samaritans and Jews of the hill-country and the coastal plains of Palestine. Inevitably, at such a significant continental crossroad, subsequent hybridisation did take place, such as with Bedouin (true Arabs), Egyptians, Greeks and many others. But their DNA dominantly shows marked similarities to that of the Mezrahi Jews such as those from Iran (Babylon), Yemen, Syria and Jordan.

    To violate this rich and varied history by insisting that the ancestral origin of the Palestinians was well beyond the highlands of Palestine (in Arabia), and that the original inhabitants were all somehow obliterated subsequent to the Arab invasion by unrecorded events, is to distort real history to destruction on the altar of political expediency.
     
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    To put it in a civil fashion and mildly... what you proselyte above should be called "Swiss Cheese" (full of holes)...

    To sum up your rant in a few factual words is so ---------> During the 400 years of the Ottoman Empire no one dared call himself anything else but Ottoman... During the 30 Years of the British Mandate everyone living in the area could get a Palestinian/British Passport or a British/Palestine Birth Certificate... the Jews served in the British army/navy and air-force... Now for the 'coup de grace'... it was only in 1964 that at the behest of Abdel Nasser that Arafat coined the name 'Palestinian'... my revelation makes your post <obsolete>!!!
     
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    We had Palestinians in Arabia in 1950..

    Where did the name Palestine come from?

    The land area of Palestine refers to the region which lies between the Syrian interior and southern Mediterranean coastal plains. The word Palestine is the derivation of &#8220;Plesheth&#8221;, which meant migratory or rolling. &#8220;The land of Palestine&#8221; was inhabited by a warrior tribe for most of the population while there were also Hebrews living there. But in the Old Testament, the land is not called Palestine but Canaan.

    The historical figures show a substantial Arab population in Palestine till 1914 until Jews started pouring from across Europe as a result of the Zionist movement.

    As Palestinian refer to people who were the descendents of races living here, they have been the original inhabitants from centuries and even at present, 49% of the population consists of Palestinian Arabs, concentrated largely in West Bank and Gaza and the rest in Israel.


    Christians consider Palestine a Holy place as it is the birthplace of Christianity; however, there is very little Christian population in Palestine, comprising only 5% in West Bank and Gaza collectively and 10% of the Israeli population in Palestine.

    Due to the emigration that led from the Six-Day War in 1967 and 1948 War, many of the Palestinian Christians now live outside of the Mandate Palestine but a lot of them still live in the Palestinian territories nonetheless.

    The Israelis destroyed over 300 Arab villages just as they destroyed Druze villages in the Golan.
     
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