Is the Fourth Reich Rising ?

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are we seeing the rise of the "Fourth Reich" ?

    If the Czech Republican joins the Germans, Germany gets back the Sudetenland. If Poland joins the Germans, Germany takes back Prussia that is rightly Germany's.

    Do the Poles remember the purpose of Poland ? Poland is a buffer zone where Germany and Russia can fight their wars against each other.

     
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    Well UK has the Trident Missile. Germany won't try anything.
     
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    What would the UK have to fear? They're not the world's leading power anymore, they neither target nor hindrance to a potential 4th reich.

    To the countrary, I can see them joining them instead. They already did, many times. They notably share the Eurofighter Typhoon.
     
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    If the European economy takes a big nosedive I don't see the EU doing anything but splitting up. If the governments of Europe keep allowing waves of migrants incapable of assimilation to swarm in, you will likely see a Euro version of the 'Trump Effect' start taking down governments internally and some coalitions of those forming along the lines of the old Spanish, Italian, and German fascist states of the 1920's and 1930's. That raises the possibility of a Russian move on the Baltic states and maybe into the Ukraine and beyond when those states weaken and focus on internal chaos.

    The UK's support for the European Union seems to change every week; they are only half-assed 'members' for the most part, and not really all that committed to it. AS the most democratic country in Europe that isn't a big shock; the U.S. ended up not joining the League of Nations, a body they created themselves, for much the same reasons of political winds changing.
     
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    LOL!!!!

    funny stuff. :)
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you see some frogs laughing ?
     
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    frogs don't laugh
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They never had a reason to laugh.

    One normally doesn't laugh when waving a white flag of surrender.

    The British have a small military but a very combat effective military.

    During the first Gulf war (Desert Storm) the United States and the British could have fought that war by themselves with the same outcome. The coalition was just a political move. And with the French being part of the coalition a new phrase was coined. "Going to war without France is like going hunting without an accordion."

    Germany or the Germans have a long history of being very competent warriors. During the 1970's and 80's they had a very well trained, well equip and high morale military. But for fifty years the other European nations wouldn't allow Germany to use their military outside of Germany. By the time they were and German troops were deployed to Afghanistan the German soldier had become fat and lazy from eating to many sausages and drinking to much beer that their performance was a disgrace to Germany.
     
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    Idk ..but the Poles fought the Germans mighty hard
     
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    France's army is quite tough; The celebrated reputation that the French mil forces have in the anglosphere is solely in reference to France's fall at the start of WWII, where in fact the Brits at Dunkerque didn't fare much better.

    During the Suez Canal crisis, where French and Brits took part in the same operations with comparable forces, the French were notoriously more efficient than the Brits.

    How many nations have nuclear carriers?
     
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    Everyone did, except maybe the French.

    But the Wehrmacht was the most combat effective military of the 20th Century and the only time they were defeated was when they were superiorly outnumbered.
     
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    By my kin.
    Death to Nazis and Jihadis.
     
  13. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't forget Battle of Dien Bien Phu.

    There was no excuse for Dien Bien Phu. It was one of the biggest stupid tactical moves in history.

    Warfare 101:
    Take the high ground, not the lowlands in the bottom of a valley.
     
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    Is this post seriously an anti-German post to demonize modern "weak" German soldiers, but at the same time say they are threat to UK?
     
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    When you consider how many Nazi soldiers were killed by Female Teen French resistance fighters.
     
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    Poland is Prussia? Someone needs a geography lesson.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I concur 100 %, someone needs a geography lesson big time.

    What ever happened to the rest of Prussia ?

     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nazi soldiers ? You must be referring to the Waffen SS that required that their soldiers be NAZIS and took an oath of allegiance to Hitler.

    The German Wehrmacht (German military) took an oath of allegiance to Germany not Hitler.

    Only 7% of Germans were NAZIS.

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    But a much higher percentage of Germans voted for them, in more than one election, so they get to own it. I'm not familiar with the French Resistance's record or who they specifically targeted, but if they went after the Gestapo police and their Vichy partners they would have been targeting Party members and their aides.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The first problem the National Socialist Party had, they had to get Hitler naturalized as a German citizen, he was an Austrian citizen by birth.

    Once Hitler became a German citizen he ran for political office.

    During the 1932 German Presidential election. Hitler got 36.8% of the popular vote. Hindenburg got 53% of the vote.
     
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    Yep. And many SS units were foreign, kinda like the Légion Etrangère. Adherence to nazism was the cement that held them, not nationality.
     
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    A 4th Reich?

    Are you kidding me?

    That's not going to happen.

    AA
     
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    And the Party got the largest majority of seats in the Reichstag, larger than than the other three factions, which made Hitler their nominee for Chancellor. Hindenberg fought this, but in the end had to concede, especially after he tossed his own left wing under the bus and allied with the Prussian right wingers, that and a little blackmail over Hindenberg and a weak Papen gave in to his demands. He had a larger personal army than both the Wehrmacht and the other factions, and when combined with the Prussian police allies was unstoppable, whether he got the Chancellorship or not. He couldn't have done that with a mere 7%.

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    They will be more to the center than current Euro politics, hardly right wing, but they won't be Nazis, more populist, and it is possible, and there will be a Euro-wide coalition. Calling it a 'Fourth Reich' is just to add a little hyperbolic drama and scare words for the population by those who think anybody to the right of Mao is a 'Nazi' or 'fascist'. Most of Europe is so far left of center they think Geert Wilders and Marie Le Pen are 'nazis', at least their press keeps trying to invent that meme.
     
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    The French are our oldest and most important ally. Without General Lafayette, the U.S. would have lost the Revolutionary war and many if not all of our founding fathers would have been shot or hanged as traitors by our oldest enemies, the British. If we would have let the Germans finish kicking the Limeys asses in WWI, there would have been no Treaty of Versalles, no Chancellor or Fuhrer Hitler and no WW II.
     
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    And a world without Volkswagens and it would be very unlikely that America would have the Interstate Highway System today.

    What would the world be like today if Hitler never came to power ?

    The fuse for war in the Pacific with Japan and the United States was lit in 1906. Japan declared war on Germany in 1914. The Mandate Islands in the Central Pacific (Micronesian Islands) would have remained German territory. Without the Japanese being awarded the Mandate Islands in 1918 I wonder what affect that would have had on Japan's agenda of going to war against the United States ?

    The Mandate Islands played a significant part on Japan's war plans of Asia for the Asians.
     

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