A person has a brain. An embryo does not. An embryo won't become a person "if only left alone." They insult the tremendous investment a woman makes to nurture it every day. A potted plant would die if left alone. They say, "If you make it, finish it." But it is not yet a person. They try to test Roe vs Wade by proposing a ban at 5 months. 1.5% of abortions happen after 5 months. Birth control can stop women's periods. It also can fail. The hormones can cause birth defects. A woman might not know she is pregnant until 5 months, and then learns of the birth defects. Many pro-life presidential candidates say that even rape victims should not be allowed an abortion. Many pro-lifers protest outside clinics, photograph women, wait for teens in the court houses, protest outside the doctor's landlords kid's school, etc. These are evil people. Women who can't afford an abortion try to save up for one, while the price goes up with each passing week.
I'm a pro-life Atheist and with exclusions for incest of a minor, rape, severe deformity and the life of the mother or in simple terms a minority of cases of abortion am opposed to it. Not for fancy rights rhetoric. But its a natural resource of the nation called a productive work unit for more often than not the child will work and be productive to society. Aborting the unborn future citizen and work unit is like tossing out ,assuming a typical work life to retirement, a large amount of iron ore or coal or silver. Even calculating in costs which are more often than not born by the parent(s) and the State in a K-12 education and perhaps some help with career training its a good deal to have the child born and live over being aborted.
I have to disagree. Neither pro-choice or pro-life are right. Abortion is an issue about personal values and morals. No person should dictate to values and morals to others.
That makes Pro-Choice correct. The choice to have an abortion or not should be left to that individual's personal values and their own morals....their own choice. Pro-Life (Anti-Choice) wishes to dictate their values and morals on others...and that's just wrong.
Yes and No. I agree in terms of calling pro-choice a better political view as it does not push ones views upon others; however, if one was to then to say that being pro-choice is more moral or ethical than being pro-life then that is where the problem lies as that implies that one's own morals are better than those of others. That, in my opinion, is where the problem lies.
The majority of people preaching moral or ethical arguments are pro-lifers, and while I personal see nothing morally or ethically wrong with abortion I don't use either as a foundation for my reasoning to keep abortion legal.
Begging the questions - 1. Which God 2. Prove god exists or at least has existed 3. Prove that God could send us a saviour 4. how would we know if the saviour was here 5. how would we know God had sent a saviour if he/she was aborted before being able to tell us. - - - Updated - - - sorry but a woman is not a production line for human resources.
apart from trying to hide your response by not quoting me directly, you seem to be under some illusion that I/we have to disprove something (which is a fallacy by the way, asking someone to prove a negative) when the reality is that you are the one making the assertion as to God's existence etc ergo the onus is on you to provide the evidence to support that assertion. It's called logical debate, you should try it sometime.
Aside from many other good arguments against your position (most having to do with the complete disregard of your position for individual rights and freedoms - a principle on which this nation was founded) the fact of the matter is that we all ready have to many "worker drones" such that making more will harm society. Even as a utilitarian justification (which are bad justification for law to begin with if one has any respect for individual rights and freedoms) this one is bad. Fallacious Utilitarianism - is your argument as the point of Utilitarianism is to increase happiness while, your suggestion will not.
You made the claims, the onus is on you to prove them. What do those claims have to do with abortion anyway?
i didn't ask you to prove anything, I said that if you want proof you find it. It's called liberal falsehoods. You should stop it sometime.
If you people can't do anything but lie about what I said, and it's here in black and white and anyone can see I didn't ask you for anything, you need to stop it. Just stop lying. You make yourself look even more foolish then you are. - - - Updated - - - Nothing that you would comprehend.
When does it become a person? Any other point besides the moment of conception is arbitrary, and an earlier point can be argued. There is no way that an earlier point than conception can be argued. Roe vs. Wade pretty much allows for elective abortion bans after the first trimester. Please read it before spouting off about it. I don't buy that a woman could be pregnant for 5 months without knowing it, unless the person is mentally ill. 2 months, maybe. Peacefully praying for people outside of abortion clinics is evil? The baby produced by the rape shouldn't be killed due to the circumstances of the conception. That said, as a pro-lifer today, I'd be happy if Roe vs. Wade were followed. Under the current administration, Roe vs. Wade is viewed as almost pro-life. As is all medical care. Giving a baby up for adoption is free. - - - Updated - - - I prefer anti-abortion if you won't use pro-life. - - - Updated - - - I guess you failed biology class. The purpose of living things is to produce other living things. It's basic biology.
Well, ya if it comes from you and is just god preaching....there's hasn't been anything TO comprehend.... Care to try the topic???
I prefer Anti-Choice since that is the crux of the issue. ...and I never liked the phony "Pro-Life" because the Anti-Choicers have no regard for women's lives. Bolding in blue above , mine. See the bolded? Adoption is free? So a woman tells her doctor and her employer that she's going to give up her kid for adoption and they don't charge her medical bills or terminate her job? Really! Giving up 9 months of your life, suffering the pain and disease (some of which is permanent) that goes with pregnancy, suffering possible job loss and time off work and career or educational set backs PLUS the medical bills and YOU call that FREE! - - - Updated - - - Ask a question about the topic and you'll get an answer.
