Armenia and Moscow - Tehran axis

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    Armenia and Moscow - Tehran axis

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia has emerged a potentially dangerous adversary - a nascent over a huge area, from Angara (River in Turkey) to the Angara (a river in Siberia) Turkic community, a kind of inheritance Timur, representing a threat to Turkic-speaking underbelly of Russia. For the same reason, Iran is concerned for the integrity of its territory, considering that it includes the South Azerbaijan. Besides geopolitical changes will have a big fuss around the Caspian Sea, with its huge oil reserves.
    Common strategic and economic objectives, and were the cause of the Moscow-Tehran axis. The same reasons have prompted Moscow to transfer nuclear technology to Iran, despite protests from Washington? Russia transfer to Iran of nuclear technology is not a bargain, and the fee for political cooperation. Explanations of Iran that a nuclear reactor is necessary as an alternative energy source, available huge natural energy resources, which are the oil and gas, devoid of logic and expediency.

    The link to this axis is Armenia, which has territorial claims against its neighbors. In addition, Armenia is Russia remained the only reliable springboard military presence in the Caucasus.
    By occurred at the time the political changes in the leadership of Armenia, namely the voluntary and unexpected to the casual observer the resignation of President Ter-Petrosian under pressure from supporters of a military solution to the Karabakh problem, one can assume with great certainty that it went to war.

    Lingering ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan with a politically loose any agreements Armenian military successes more annoyed militant opposition leaders, former president already. The isolation of Armenia, due to the political situation in the Caucasus, a deep economic crisis without any prospect of improvement in the face of an expected economic boom in Azerbaijan, thanks to the oil produced in the Caspian Sea, leaves no hope for the future of Ter-Petrosyan as President - a supporter of peaceful dialogue Baku. In addition, arrived from Russia through Iran additional weapons, including medium-range missiles "Scud", which can draw Baku and its oil terminals in the ruins, created a moment of undisputed military supremacy of Armenia to Azerbaijan. And while Azerbaijan does not yet have the currency for the purchase of adequate weapons, hawks in Yerevan would not mind to take advantage of the situation and now Yerevan is waiting for a sign from the Kremlin to launch military action. Moscow has not exhausted all possible options for diplomatic pressure to force Baku not only to transport the Caspian oil to the whole exclusively through Russia, but also to give up the right to develop the oil alone shelf from its shores. Moscow is increasingly exaggerates the issue of some unclear status of the Caspian Sea.

    Azerbaijan difficile is easily explained by economic and political considerations.
    The current pipeline currently passing on the North Caucasus, does not have sufficient bandwidth for all the oil produced in Azerbaijan planned. We must also take into account the oil of Kazakhstan, to which Baku will become a transit point. Thus, the need to build new, more powerful pipes clear. And if we build a new pipeline, it is much more profitable to lay him to the shores of the Black Sea through Georgia, which is considerably shorter, moreover, disappear concerns about political instability in Chechnya and Dagestan, through which the existing pipeline. Further laying the pipeline from Georgia to Turkey, Caspian oil will make available throughout the Mediterranean.

    Russia is reasonable to anticipate significant foreign exchange losses in the implementation of the project. Therefore, Moscow desperately taking all possible levers to destabilize the political situation in Georgia.
    General for Azerbaijan and the Turkic states of Central Asia economic issues related to oil and gas will contribute to the political consolidation of the Turkic peoples of the former Soviet Union, the consolidation of which dreams of most leading country of the Turkic world - Turkey. And then the revival of the past legacy of Tamerlane just around the corner.

    Against such a turn of events and aims previously set up the axis Moscow - Yerevan - Tehran, in which the main acting role for Armenia. Russia again, as at the turn of the 19th - 20th centuries, is playing the Armenian card to achieve their selfish goals.

    Here we come to the most dramatic moment, put the top of hatred in the history of relations between Armenians and Turks peacefully coexisted for a long historical period in the Ottoman Empire. The Turks did not pursue any of the Armenians due to nationality, or because of their Christianity. A large percentage of the Armenians was among the prosperous part of merchants and artisans.

    The reason for hostility lies in a completely different field, and to understand it, it is necessary to comprehend the events in Turkey and in Transcaucasia, during the late Ottoman Empire. It was during this period forms the Armenian party "Gnchak" [ "bell"] and "Dashnaktsutiun" [ "Union"], which put the task of creating in the eastern Anatolian Armenian state. According to their plan of "Great Armenia" should include the territory "from sea to sea" [meaning the Black, Caspian and Mediterranean Seas].
    Supporters of this idea is not bothered that no one in the field of Turkish Armenians did not constitute a majority, and this is a necessary condition for the creation of at least autonomy, not to mention the state. To correct this undesirable demographic factor Dashnaks planned by murder and cruel violence to sow fear and panic among the Muslim population, to force him to leave their homes, freeing thus for the future territory of "Great Armenia".

    This circumstance, as well as possible, by the way, coincided with the intention of Russia in its expansion to the south from the Caucasus. On the eve of the First World War a large number of Russian in Dashnaks supplied weapons for the rebellion in the rear of the Ottoman Empire.

    Armenians were fighting not with regular Turkish troops, and mainly attacked civilians, unarmed Muslims and achieved considerable success. Hundreds of thousands of Turks and Kurds became refugees before the approach of the Russian troops. [It should be noted that the Kurds claim to the same land as the Armenians]. Armed insurgencies Armenians facilitated the Russian advance into the heart of Turkish territory. To protect the rear, the Turkish government was forced to order the eviction of Armenians from places intended direction of advance of the Russian army. Now columns, forcibly evicted Armenians stretched south towards Syria terrain on which the Muslims who had fled earlier from the cruel massacres committed by Armenian militants. And something happened that could not happen. Driven by revenge, the Turks and the Kurds attacked the defenseless Armenians. Evil has created evil. This terrible tragedy of 1915, which cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Armenians could not be, if the Armenian fighters did not carry out a strategy of squeezing the peaceful population, sowing the seeds of evil that still sprout like weeds, threatening to strangle the world field in the South Caucasus.

    It would be an unforgivable mistake to equate the tragedy that befell the Armenian people, genocide. The catastrophe of European Jewry was planned in accordance with Nazi ideology and carried out in secret by special forces. A trial was held, identify the specific perpetrators of the genocide of the Jews and brought them to the verdict. What happened in Turkey - is a spontaneous reaction to the response of ordinary people in the pre-conceived ideology of "Dashnaktsutiun" beating Muslims.
    Evil is rooted in the ideology itself, "Dashnaktsutiun" party. Most of the wars conducted for the territory. Russia absorbed the earth together with the peoples inhabiting them, the Dashnaks had space for "Great Armenia" completely free from any nation other than the Armenian. The criminal propaganda absurd ideas drove Armenians in the middle of a war between the two empires in the line of fire to by the extermination of the local population to build a chimerical state.

    After the peace agreement Russian troops, leaving the front, delivered weapons to the Armenians, who not only continued to hold a part of Turkish territory, but did not hesitate to unleash a war with neighboring Azerbaijan and Georgia by presenting their territorial claims.

    Armenians since ancient times, monopolizing trade, settled over a large area, creating a compact point foci of residence. At the time of the conquest of Georgia by Russia in Tbilisi, 60% of the population were Armenians. Even during the Soviet era, Armenians settled in the North Caucasus and the Black Sea, focusing mainly in the resort towns and, of course, known to the Armenian diaspora in Moscow. In Azerbaijan, a large number of Armenians living not only in Karabakh, [c Azerbaijani-Karabakh (Gara bang) - "see snow"] a district of Baku predominantly Armenian population, not numerically inferior Karabakh Armenians, called Armenikent. Therefore, it is possible that after the Baku-Karabakh should become part of Great Armenia. Few people know that the Dashnaks in 1918, raising an armed uprising and seized power in Baku, massacred, and Azerbaijanis, saving lives, fled from the city. To prevent the complete destruction of Baku Armenian rebels, Turkey sent troops to Baku. This history is silent.

    To understand the place in those days, events in the Caucasus, and the current situation it is necessary to know the history, and not the one that was written in the Kremlin offices and served the totalitarian communist power. The real story was hidden from the people of the Soviet empire, if not supplanted by a lie. Since the conquest of the Khanate Russian Erivanskogo (one of the Azerbaijani khanate), its ethnic composition began to change with time acceleration. Erivan fortress town was founded Rivangulu Khan, hence the name of Erivan. The population there is 90% were Turkic (Azerbaijani), the remaining 10% equally accounted for Kurds and Armenians. To strengthen in the conquered new lands, Moscow decides to change the ethnic composition of the population in the border area with Turkey. To this end, since 1828 in the former Erivanskoe and Nakhichevan khanates begins mass migration of Armenians from Turkey and Persia. By 1897, according to the conducted census in the Yerevan district of the Azerbaijani population is 51.4%, and the Armenian has already reached 38.5%. With the advent of the Armenian nationalist party "Dashnaktsutyun" threat to the Turkic (Azerbaijani) population during the First World War and especially increases catastrophic nature takes over the entire territory of Azerbaijan after the overthrow of the monarchy in Russia. Only through the timely assistance provided by Turkey failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing against Azerbaijanis.

    However, when the Soviet government after the establishment of the Armenian Republic and the persecution of the Nazis, the Dashnaks, Moscow's policy to oust Azerbaijanis has not changed. In the center of Yerevan is liquidated history of the city - demolished the fortress wall and completely destroyed the Shah's palace. Stalin, and he did not give up on their aggressive war plans for mastering the Black Sea straits, preparing for war with Turkey and considering Azerbaijanis "fifth column", it is decided on the deportation of the Azerbaijani population from Armenia. Is published for the decision N 4083 of 23 December 1947 "On resettlement of collective farmers and other Azerbaijani population from the Armenian SSR to the Kura-Araz lowland of Azerbaijan SSR". In the same judgment is given permission to the Armenian SSR Council of Ministers of foreign arrivals to settle Armenians in the Azeri population vacated buildings and homes. In those postwar years, thanks to the propaganda in Armenia resettled 80 thousand Armenians from abroad. Notably, during the Soviet era, Armenia becomes unlike other Soviet republics increasingly mono-ethnic. It should be noted that the nationalist tendencies as a consequence of the ideology of the party "Dashnaktsutyun" Armenian has not disappeared. So Armenian terrorists made a series of terrorist acts January 8, 1977 in Moscow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzZWB5GZU-k).


    Under Gorbachev, taking advantage of the weakening of central authority, resurrected militias Armenian militants began to cast out, the Azerbaijanis living in Armenia. For the first time after the war with the Nazis in the Soviet Union there were refugees again. They were Azerbaijani from Kafan. Information about the iniquity was not resolved things happening in Armenia. Then there was no publicity. The authorities did not dare to let the refugees from Armenia in Baku, stopping them in Sumgait. The irresponsible behavior of the authorities made the position of the homeless, the unemployed people a real nightmare. On this and hoped to Armenia. Sumgayit events is a well-planned provocation to blame for vandalism Azerbaijanis and begin an unprecedented scale with the help of nowhere who had taken arms, the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia and Karabakh, and all this in the Soviet era. It is hard to imagine that suddenly appeared in the Soviet Union weapons from ordinary citizens in the short term, and even in such large numbers! And it should be good to understand the chronology of events - Kapan was first, then Sumgait and then to Karabakh war. These are the facts and this is true.

    Today, in the face of Russia, artificially created Russian state, Armenia has only ally in the Caucasus and is trying to use it to restore its former influence, but this is possible only in case of war.

    Being in power in Yerevan War Party does not leave in this situation is no chance for a peaceful resolution of the Karabakh crisis. In the event of the outbreak of war, Armenia, using considerable superiority in weaponry, can win, it is possible that the Armenian troops will be in Baku, but hardly a military victory, decides that any politically. In terms of economic neither Armenia nor Russia will not receive any dividends. In the oil fields no money will not give the restoration and maintenance. It is safe to assume that Turkey will be involved in the war. At the same time it is unlikely that Moscow will decide to open hostilities with Turkey, as NATO with the issue of retaliation against an aggressor who attacked the country - block member and can then deploy a large-scale battle for the Caspian Sea and the world is on the verge of World War III . Most likely, Armenia alone will have to fight with the Turkic unit with material and diplomatic support Moscow. It is not difficult to foresee which side will take America, already had time to invest in the Caspian oil. Washington should understand that the strengthening of the axis Moscow - Tehran, is a potential threat and Middle Eastern oil region, to which America has spent a lot of money and effort.


    02.07.2004
     
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin submitted to the State Duma for ratification an agreement between Russia and Armenia to establish a joint regional air defense system in the Caucasus region of collective security.
    http://www.vz.ru/news/2016/10/7/836668.html
    Therefore, Russia can not be a mediator in the status of a military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It is time for Azerbaijan to think about joining the NATO military alliance.
     
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    The conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia has only one peaceful solution. Which is the reintegration process between the two countries. Qarabakh is the territory which by all laws belongs to Azerbaijan. But the pople there, armenians, don't want to join Azerbaijan. All NATO possible can only bring genocide and war to both countries. You want to die? Commit a suicide. This is more reasonable than bringing death and wounds to hundreds of people around you.
     
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    And who settled in Karabakh Armenians? There are no Armenians lived. First in the area was Shushi Khanate with its capital in Shusha. There was no Stepanakert, and the village was Khankendi (Khan's village). After coming to the Caucasus Russian, these places were inhabited by Armenians from Iran and the Ottoman Empire, and the local population was deported.
     
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    The Whole Turkey was a region that belonged to Greek and Armenians ... your questioning Stepanagerd?
     
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    We are talking about Karabakh, rather than Turkey?
     
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    Man Islam came to the region and took the lands by Force.... they conquered the land.. I am not proud of what Christians did in their past in America or other places... I am in fact ashamed of it, but Islam teaches its violence in its doctrine against all other religions and this should stop. You killed 1.5 million armenian because of you crappy religion... You where born muslim and thats why you think Islam is supreme because of your Ego..
    While reality is, Pythagoras Rules.. Jesus Rules.. Buddha., Krishna... those are the true Light of the World... Not Muhamad who raped 9 year old and who slept with his son in laws wife.. forces him to divorce her with a quranic law.. tell me something can that verse be used today? ... Show me any verse of Jesus in the bible that cannot be used today...

    The whole region was Christian - Pagan- Jew Armenians, Russians, Greeks.. Romans... you came by your barbaric Quranic Verses forces shari3a law and massacred all others....your lust talks not your soul... I pity the souls of the muslims because the ones who use the quranic violent verses will go to hell... all those who kill whatever their religion is , hell is their future.. muhamad is suffering in hell because he served Satan... the Devil....
     
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    The history is something which cannot be used for revanchism. I know about genocide of armenians in Ottoman Empire. But I wouldn't approve the very idea to make the same (or 'moderate' if this word changes anything) genocide of modern turks. I mean there is no choice between murdering an armenian or azerbaijan child. Both are crimes. Unfrotunately the conflict has happened. The blood was spilt. The media already knows the facts which can be used to open such a fresh wound from both sides. All the words, names, stories which make people blood-eyed berserks are all there. On BOTH sides. The war between Armenia and Azerbaijan is to a favour for anyone but your 2 countries. So actually it is not me who should have tried his best to prove that peace between your countries (former soviet republics) is a priority of a higher level rather than Qarabakh region or any other region in the world. Now do you know 10 armenian and 10 azerbaijan people who DO things to make peace? Do you know 10 heroes\enemies from Armenia and Azerbaijan? If you know, like and have interests just in war and not peace than you need to understand that no peace would happen until the majority has your opinion.
     
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    I have a question for you, who began the Second World War? And the next question is whether he is guilty, who started the Second World War?
     
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    There were a lot of mistakes which led to WWII. It is very shallow to blame just Hitler. It is the same if we blame only Al-Baghdadi (Asad?) in what is happening in Syria.

    The main reasons for the WWII to start were:
    1. Very unfair and one-sided set of conditions for the new peace and new world after the WWI. The winners betrayed a lot of their allies and ripped the losers turning developed nations into position of tribals. Peace conditions after WWI were called 'truce'.
    2. The second big reason was war of ideologies. Communists were seen as a serious threat by bourgeois states. They needed an ideology in the far right to resist, to fight. This is why the far right policies were so popular in the West that even modern Queen Elizabeth played fascist ideology without any discouragement from her father. Partly it is also the responsibility of the far leftists. They destroyed the religious values which kept brothers from killing each other. They did it first. Democracies were pushed to this bllody game, but they adapted very fast.
    3. The other big problem was an illusion that the one who enters the war the last would come out of it as the world leader. So WWII was regarded not as something to be avoided, but something like a chance. There is no other reason for Poland to not allow the Red Army which could help the Czech Republic to fight with Hitler. Annexed Czechoslovakia increased manufacturing of war materials for Hitler even more than the victory over France. In its turn the great powers sacrificed Poland thinking primarily about something very personal.
    4. If we need to find a person who is the most responsible for the war - it was Hitler. He drove Germany into the expected and desired war completely on his own will. But I don't have any reason to think that there would be no WWII if Hitler was killed before 1939.
     
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    You see, everything has a reason, nothing happens without a reason. You yourself have come to a conclusion and found the top causes of World War I, and you know who started it. There are reasons, and the Turkish-Armenian conflict. That is, it is necessary to be familiar with the story, the true story, not false, which distributes fascist party "Dashnaktsutyut".
     
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    For the last several years in Armenia the pro-Western opposition and so called ‘civil activists’ have been keeping 102 military base in Guymri the main issue of anti-Russian mood. Trying to be worth their salary from different American supervisors the mentioned above ‘patriots’ don’t have a single idea what catastrophic consequences for the country will follow the closure of military base and withdrawal of Russian troops.
    At the background of current situation in the region the presence of Russian military base in Guymri is getting the special importance. It is an open secret that the main point of 102nd military base is the protection of state borderline with Turkey. There is no need to repeat what threat is posed by today’s Turkey headed by Erdogan. One can just cast a look at what Turkey has turned into another neighbor – Syria. For several years Turkish authorities have been consequently destroying Syria as a state. At first they acted through different terrorist groups, and not so long ago blatantly moved their troops to Syria under the pretext of fight with terrorism. Thus there is a question – are there any guaranties from so-called patriots that after Syria Turkey will not invade into Armenia. In my opinion, it is obvious that the only factor which can withhold Turkey from aggressive actions is the presence of Russian militaries in Armenia.
    April events have shown one more time that the possibility of renewal of new wide-scale war with Azerbaijan is pretty big. I keep reminding that at those days the aggression of Azerbaijan was supported only by one country – Turkey. And we can’t have any doubts that in case of with Azerbaijan and absence of Russian soldiers on the borderline with Turkey, Turks will eagerly interfere into the conflict and it will be definitely against us. Under these conditions it will be the act of treachery to close the 102nd base.
    Despite all anti-Russian propaganda of few people, political forces and some mass media, the ally relationship between Armenia and Russia are not only kept, but also are strengthened more and more.
    The area of military and technical cooperation is really worth being mentioned, because it is of the urgent importance for Armenia. Not so long ago there was signed an agreement on forming of united military group of Russian and Armenian troops. Even earlier there was ratified an agreement on forming of united air defense. Also Russia granted a credit of 200 million dollars on favorable terms for purchase of modern weapon. In addition Russia supplied to Armenia some specimens of weapon which can’t be found in any other country, though there are more than enough of potential buyers. All these steps are directed to ensure the safety of Armenia and to keep the balance of power in conflict of Nagorny Karabakh. Unlike the Western countries, Russia shows indeed who the real ally of Armenia is.
     
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    You're absolutely right, Russia created a state of Armenia, in the last century as a reference a springboard for further expansion in the South. Russia also supported Armenia in the capture of Karabakh and Armenia today is the only military ally of Moscow. In your speech, there is a slight inaccuracy - Russia launched a military base in Gumri before Erdogan and to the Syrian conflict, that is not because Erdogan came to power and not because there was a war in Syria.
     
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    The Armenian Nazis hoisted a monument to the Armenian fascist and executioner, Nazi criminal Garegin Nzhdeh, creator and head of the Nazi so-called "Armenian Legion" in the Wehrmacht, where Soviet prisoners of war of Armenian nationality and representatives of the Armenian diaspora were recruited. This legion, like its leaders, is a direct accomplice to all Nazi crimes, including the genocide of the Jewish people - the Holocaust.

    Https://kavkazplus.com/news.php?id=6534#.WYWF64SGPcc

    Moscow silently perceived the opening of the monument to the Wehrmacht soldier in Yerevan. I can imagine what would be the reaction from Moscow, if something like this happened in Kiev. However, this is understandable, Russia and Armenia are strategic allies.
     

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