Mark Steyn lectures on Climate

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am telling you right now. Though not a scientist, the man validates why I purchased his book years ago. America Alone I believe.

    Mark will clearly discuss the Hockey stick but not in my terms.

    I did a lot of graphing during my 77 years. First in high school followed by in college. And I was an early user of Lotus 123 and am skilled at using Excel.

    Anyway, he got sued by the creator of the hockey stick and has been tied up in court for at least 5 years. Supposedly this is the year where he beats Dr. Mann.

    At first glance, my major problem with the hockey stick was the message.

    Why take tenths of a degree over very long time spans and crush to a small line long periods of history but greatly expand temperature I wondered. I figured it was a scam. Designed to make tenths of a degree look enormous.

    That is poor science.

    This video of Steyn is very informative.

    [video=youtube;6bARjABDqok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bARjABDqok[/video]
     
  2. US Conservative

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    Great presentation.
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am still getting thanked for this post. I truly appreciate that as well.
     
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    Yeah, this is the guy I want to get my climate change info from.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Steyn
    This is the person conservatives like to listen to about climate change. No wonder there is such a disconnect between conservatives and science.
     
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    I thought he was entertaining and he has a right to his opinion. He also has a right to free speech. And I have the right to disagree. He offered no science.
     
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    I think you have missed the point.
     
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    cupAsoup Well-Known Member

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    No, I got it. You prefer to get your climate change info from a drop out, former DJ who makes money by preying on the ignorance of conservatives.
     
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    I think the point is that lefties wouldn't grasp logic or reason, let alone science if it smacked them in the face.

    Stein is great at pointing that out.
     
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    His last name is Steyn. A small detail I wouldn't expect a science denier to grasp.
     
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    Whatever his name is, warmists are still a cult.

    And boy did he nail the "science denier" venom lefties spit.
     
  11. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What they call evidence I call short term. Even the dumbest warmists realize climate is very long term.

    The Worst Hard Time, a book I am currently reading, thanks to a kind poster bringing up the book, really gets into the full story of the climate of the 1930s. They suffered for many years. When I was researching during Clinton's era on Climate, I ran into records for temperatures. And in the 1930s they established records that still stand.

    It is cooler now than in the 1930s. We don't hear of a dust storm like those today.
     
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    Take a look at this site.
    https://climateaudit.org/

    This person talks of this site

    [video=youtube;SqzcA7SsqSA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqzcA7SsqSA[/video]
     
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    Warmists? Is that the latest lingo circling around the denier/conspiracy theorist camp? Yes, all the scientists are wrong and your former DJ/school dropout/fleecer of idiots guy is correct.

    Only conservatives, only in America.
     
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    Warmists are what those who believe in superstition and junk science for politics are called.

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    I'm sorry, but deniers shouldn't even be using the word science. Stick to getting your info from talk show personalities with no formal science training.
     
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    Yet you alarmists only show us talking.

    And you actually believe the hockey stick is good science.

    The actual graph of warming is a virtual flat line. The hockey stick only intends to shock.

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is how you will know that Government has got serious about "climate aka global warming"

    1. Sea level rise ..... construction will commence on sea walls to protect low level coastal areas
    2. Trees will be planted on a massive scale to collect carbon dioxide
    3. Carbon dioxide scrubbers will be all around cities

    But since you see none of that, Government is not serious.

    California got serious about earthquakes and despite our seldom having them to the degree they damage property, they made vast changes to buildings here.
     
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    McIntyre shows very clearly how the data was manipulated to create Mann's 'hockey stick' mainly by hiding the cooling data.
     
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    There are mountains of credible science you deniers choose to ignore. You offer up a school drop out/DJ/musical theater critic turned fleecer of ignorant people as an example of truth. It's pathetic and it's willful ignorance.

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    I'm sorry but I cannot take someone who denies science seriously about anything. Good luck with your conspiracy theories.
     
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    Actually my actual offer has been posted in the past. I rely very heavily on Dr. Richard Lindzen and have offered this forum 240 of his papers. I could pick and choose among them but figured the people wanting the truth would look over his list of research and understand enough to the point they selected the vital papers.

    I used Steyn since he got sued by Mann. I believe Mann will lose. Steyn has the right to freedom of speech.
     
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    Denier is an interesting put down. Supposedly we will crawl back under the covers since we got called names. I call those who want to control humans warmers. Why is that? This is not to save humans at all. It is pure control. Democrats long ago conceived of a number of steps to collect control over this country. I believe other countries watch this model.

    It amounts to socialism. The concept we are not self ruled, but ruled by those who try to make us believe they know far better than we know what we need. They want us to accept their laws. They make rules all the time. They show no let up in rules.

    Dodd Frank is a very tragic law created by Democrats. They want us ruled in schools. They never let up.
     
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    The so called science leaning crowd will not agree. But many years ago, my math background kicked in and I spotted the major flaw of the hockey stick.

    Democrats use it as their religion to believe in the GOD called hockey stick.

    As Steyn says, it is a fraud.

    When I ask the Democrats why NY city is no longer glacier bound, they shrug and go I dunno. I explain how it warmed and they slap their forehead hard and then come back to blame man for warming.

    They never make sense.

    [video=youtube;mo59iZyPrvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo59iZyPrvs[/video]
     
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    Prove how serious you are by showing us Democrats mitigating sea rise. Show us carbon dioxide scrubbers being installed.

    Show how serious you are by showing those massive stands of trees and plants to collect carbon dioxide.

    Till then you are just talking. And talking and talking.
     
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    No one argued otherwise. What you don't rely on are facts and science. Your political slant is clearly more important to you than facts, so i'll leave you to your silliness.

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    And you'll just keep on denying and denying. Thank goodness you are in no position of influence to anyone whatsoever. You can be safely ignored.
     
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    As you talk, I point out you really are not one bit serious.

    But keep talking.
     

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