Philippine President's Solution to Drug Dealers

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  1. longknife

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    “Shoot and kill them.”


    MANILA, Philippines (AP) — The Philippine president-elect has encouraged the public to help him in his war against crime, urging citizens with guns to shoot and kill drug dealers who resist arrest and fight back in their neighborhoods.


    In a nationally televised speech late Saturday, Rodrigo Duterte told a huge crowd in the southern city of Davao that Filipinos who help him battle crime will be rewarded.


    "Please feel free to call us, the police, or do it yourself if you have the gun — you have my support," Duterte said, warning of an extensive illegal drug trade that involves even the country's police.


    If a drug dealer resists arrest or refuses to be brought to a police station and threatens a citizen with a gun or a knife, "you can kill him," Duterte said. "Shoot him and I'll give you a medal."


    Ever think we'd give our police and citizens the same encouragement?


    Story @ http://bigstory.ap.org/article/58fc...resident-elect-urges-public-kill-drug-dealers
     
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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    The first innocent kid to be shot and killed by a vigilante will change all that. And Duterte will be out of a job if not in a Philippine prison.
     
  3. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not go live in the Philippines if you hate liberty and want authoritarian measures? Both are very popular in 3rd world countries.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How could a drugs dealer be innocent? After all it isn't something you can do without knowing you're doing it?
     
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    people could miss and hit a innocent kid
    or just use this as a excuse to kill people they dont like and accuse em of being drugdealers
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fair observations. It should only be the upholders of law enforcement who deal out summary justice and executions, but only if there's accountability. Things must be bad there, though, if this kind of extreme measure is being considered.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like somethin' Trump would say.
    :wink:
     
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    He might not be a drug dealer.
     
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    There should be no summary justice or executions even by law enforcement. There should only be killing if there is armed resistance to lawful orders to surrender. Even in the Philippines.
     
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    tsuke Well-Known Member

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    as i understand it correctly he used to be a mayor in davao (another city) and did this. Crime became non existent.

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    maybe different measures are needed for third world instead of first world countries?

    Imposing first world virtues on third world countries got us iraq.
     
  11. Same Issues

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    Crime non existent? I cant find any information to back that up


    Davao is number 4 on PNP’s worst PH cities with highest crime rate
    http://politics.com.ph/davao-is-number-4-on-pnps-worst-ph-cities-with-highest-crime-rate/
    Former Socioeconomic Planning Secretary Winnie Monsod, a Roxas supporter, claimed that Davao City’s claim as the safest city in the world was “manipulated” as it was only based on the perception of less than 500 people who took their time registering their perception on Davao City in Numbeo.com.

    Murder rate highest in Davao City – PNP
    http://www.philstar.com/nation/2016/04/01/1568394/murder-rate-highest-in-davao-city-pnp
    April 1, 2016 - 10:00am
    MANILA, Philippines - Davao City posted the highest murder rate from 2010 to 2015, data from the Philippine National Police (PNP) showed.
    The PNP recorded 1,032 murder cases in Davao City, 961 in Quezon City and 806 in Cebu City.
    The least number of cases was recorded in Naga City at 45.
    The PNP recorded 6,010 cases in the cities with the highest murder rates. These are Quezon City, Manila, Cebu, Davao, Cagayan de Oro, Baguio, Zamboanga, Iloilo, General Santos, Bacolod, Angeles, Makati, Iligan and Mandaue.
    Davao also ranked second among the cities with the highest rape incidents with 843 cases. Quezon City topped the list with 1,122 cases.


    One crime every 80 minutes in Davao City
    http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/philippines/one-crime-every-80-minutes-in-davao-city-1.1660705
    23:40 January 26, 2016
    In terms of "index crimes" -- such as murder, physical injury, theft and robbery -- Davao recorded 39 per 100,000 per month (100kpm), compared to Cebu's 38 per 100kpm, police records show (see below).
    In 2014, the police in Davao City (population 1.49m) posted on Facebook showing a total of 18,119 crimes recorded for the year, of which 6,548 (36 percent) were "index crimes", which translates to one index crime every 80 minutes, and one non-index crime every 11 minutes.
    Davao's claim to safest-city fame has in fact been bolstered by crowdsourcing survey site Numbeo.
    In Numbeo's June 2015 ranking, Davao's crime index went up to 18.18, from 19.31 from the previous survey (lower number means lower crime rate). Numbeo's "safety index" for Davao, on the other hand, was at 81.82, from 80.69 in a previous survey (higher number means higher safety level).
    Surprisingly, the Numbeo ranking came from less than 500 users or contributions.


    PNP’s Report Shows Davao City Has Highest Number of Recorded Murder Incidents
    http://www.wheninmanila.com/pnps-re...-highest-number-of-recorded-murder-incidents/
    April 2, 2016
    The list ranked the chartered cities with data from calendar year 2010 to 2015. Basically, a chartered city is a city governed by their own specific municipal charters, which specifies their administrative structure and powers.
    On the report, Davao City appeared to have the highest recorded murder incidents, a whopping 1,032. Quezon City followed at 961.
    In the overall ranking of the 15 chartered cities, Davao City was fourth. Quezon City took the top spot. Here’s the list below from the PNP.





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    Davao City ranks as 9th safest in the world
    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690252/davao-city-ranks-as-9th-safest-in-the-world
    DAVAO CITY–Davao City is the 9th safest in world according to data released by crowd-sourced rating site Numbeo.com and is the country’s most child-friendly based on a government ranking.
    In its information update of world’s safest cities, dated April 30, 2015, Numbeo said Davao City has a safety index of 80.69 or a crime index of 19.31.
    It was even safer than Stuttgart, Germany (80.65), Abu Dhabi (80.41), Hong Kong (79.97) or Bern, Switzerland (80.30).
     
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    Looks like Duterte's tactic works...
    :wink:
    More than half million drug users have surrendered to Philippines police since June
    Monday 15th August, 2016 - The unprecedented voluntary surrender of self-confessed drug users and pushers nationwide can be translated as proceeds loss of drug trafficking syndicates amounting to an estimated P8.22 billion, according to the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA).
     
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    There's already reports of both of these things happening.
     
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    You mean like Obama's drone strikes?
     
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    Just remember to bring drugs to every murder and you get a free pass. When the drug dealer commits murder, he will already have drugs to plant on the victim. Brilliant!
     
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    LOL from my understanding and what I have seen online you just write "Drug Dealer" on a piece of cardboard and throw it on their dead body, case closed.
     
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    What exactly does surrendering to the police involve. Its kinda hard to find, from what I can actually get online they just have to surrender and sign a good faith document saying they will stop and seek government sponsored treatment. I have also seen them having to verbally say they will stop. Does anyone have better information on what surrendering amounts to, or is what I found correct?
     
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    Drugs aren't the problem in the Philippines, but rather corrupt politicians. It's so bad that the nickname for the department of corrections is the department of corruption. Police, the judges, mayors, presidents...

    The cops probably love what's happening because now all they have to do is accuse somebody of being a drug dealer, and the blackmail is even more effective.
     
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    At first I thought how horrible, but then when I read that the addicts were running to the police, I thought how brilliant.

    The same could be said for punishing families of terrorists. It might sound horrendous to us, but Muslim youth are not indifferent to the lives and sufferings of their families... They will think twice before committing a terrorist act.
     
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    I guess like in the US, where all a person has to do is accuse someone of wanting to expose the Clintons, and 'poof' they're gone.

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    Could but with such a great priblem and so many dealers with fellow policw why would upu waste time, conscience and resources when the problem is so target rich.
     
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    No. They make squat, are a nation in poverty, are getting screwed over by the rest of the world and have a huge drug problem so this problem is the elephant and the recipients were warned - come clean or be cleaned.

    Addicts are ok as long as they don't have to scam or steal but few do so, they are a problem. Pushers are a problem as they supply addicts. Police and officials who allow this to go on are a problem so please, defend away for the rights of the pushers.
     
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    In a perfect world I'd agree, but we all know it isn't a perfect world, and serious situations demand serious measures if they're to be resolved. After all, the 'killing' will continue if nothing is done, but by the dealers rather than the police, so the bottom line is the same?
     
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    I understand some of you posters like the policy, but you have to admit that a system like this can be abused to the max if no evidence has to be presented and accusation can lead to legal murder. He has used these accusations against his political opponents already and there is little they can do to defend themselves.

    Duterte to De Lima: 'It's beyond your control'
    http://www.rappler.com/nation/143701-duterte-de-lima-beyond-control-drug-allegations
    MANILA, Philippines – President Rodrigo Duterte stood by his allegation that Senator Leila de Lima was involved in the drug trade in the New Bilibid Prison when she headed the justice department, and vowed to prove it.
    "She's lying through her teeth," Duterte said of De Lima's categorical denial of her alleged drug links, in a news briefing during the first hours of Sunday, August 21.

    Duterte admitted, however, that he learned the alleged involvement of De Lima's former driver, Ronnie Dayan, in Bilibid drugs only through intercepts of a "friendly country" shared with the Philippine government, which are not admissible in court.
    He did not divulge the foreign government, but said he asked permission to reveal it in public. Duterte also said that particular country "is also mad at De Lima because she's involved in drugs."

    De Lima had categorically denied she ever accepted drug money and said she was willing to be shot in front of the President if there is "genuine" evidence to prove this.
    When she was DOJ chief, she led 30 surprise inspections of the NBP, and sacked prison officials and guards after some inmates were found to enjoy VIP treatment and privileges.
    The President's attack on De Lima came days ahead of the Senate inquiry into extrajudicial killings in the government's war on drugs, which the senator will lead.
     

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