Who Will YOU Vote For (and why)???

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Who will you vote for and why?

Poll closed Jul 29, 2016.
  1. Donald Trump

    45.6%
  2. Hillary Clinton

    20.0%
  3. Gary Johnson

    15.6%
  4. Other (please specify)

    18.9%
  1. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    So, who are you voting for and why has that candidate earned your vote? Is it the lesser of "two evils" thought? Because, if so, you need to start looking to 3rd party candidates. There are always more choices that you just don't hear about as much on the news. If you do your own research into the candidates, you will see that there are better choices than the two front runners we hear about day in and day out until we want to puke. :wink: Please vote! Thanks! :)

    Here are the choices:

    1. Donald Trump (republican candidate).
    2. Hillary Clinton (democrat candidate).
    3. Gary Johnson (libertarian candidate).
    4. Other.
     
  2. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'd vote for roadkill before Hillary. and while Gary Johnson would be a great president, a vote for him is a vote for Hillary. SO I have to vote for the guy who looks like he is wearing road kill on his head
     
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    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for responding and voting but I have to say, I'm disappointed. :( If we all didn't think like that, 3rd party candidates would have a much better chance of winning! I've found a LOT of people actually would support Gary Johnson, but we all fall for the two main parties smears about casting votes for 3rd party candidates! This is another way they stay in power.

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    There is only ONE reason why I would vote for Donald Trump over Hillary, and that is gun control issues. Other than that, they are both equally blowhards IMO. :)
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    You live in what is essentially a communist or socialist state where Hillary will win no matter what so you are not hurting the country by voting for Johnson. Ohio is often the most crucial swing state and I don't have the luxury of voting for Johnson. I have no use for Trump and I seriously question the sanity of people who claim they want the GOP to retake the white house who voted for Trump in the primaries. I believe most of the trump primary supporters were actually Democrats or people who really don't care which party has the white house.
     
  5. ChrisL

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    I suppose, but if the two main parties didn't receive all the funding from Super PACs, etc., then 3rd party candidates would stand more of a chance. I think there should be limits to how much they can spend on their campaigns. That would even out the playing field. Notice that most of the time, 3rd party candidates are not even invited to the national debates?!!!
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't believe individuals should be told how much they can contribute to a candidate. full disclosure imposed on the candidates is constitutional, Telling me I cannot give a candidate a million dollars DIRECTLY violates my right to free speech and the constitution has no delegation of authority to the federal government to tell me how I can spend my money
     
  7. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but because the two main parties make "deals" (which we KNOW they do), they are going to get the MOST money, and they have their super PACs. This means that it is going to be a RARE occurrence when a 3rd party candidate can compete. If you are happy with the status quo . . . I suppose it's all good. Me? I'm not happy with the direction the two main parties have taken our country in. I want to see some BIG changes and not hear a bunch of empty promises from people who are bought and sold by whomever.
     
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    Will probably write in Bernie. Might vote for Johnson instead. Hillary is a non-starter. As I have said previously, my biggest concern with Trump is his fanboying Carl Icahn. I am indifferent to Trump, but there is no way I will support anybody who would give Icahn any power.
     
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    Trump for two reasons. 1) I know what kind of judicial appointments to expect from Hillary 2) There is zero chance of enforcing immigration laws under Hillary. These issues "trump" all others with me.
     
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    Since some or a lot of people are probably not even familiar with Gary Johnson or his stances on the issues, I am going to post some of his stances here for you all. :) All of these will be from gleaned from this link: http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

    I think some of you may discover that you agree with him on a lot of his views, so meet Gary Johnson. :woot:


    Don't require insurers to provide birth control. (May 2012)
    No federal funding for stem cell research. (Jan 2012)
    Women's right to choose until fetal viability. (Jun 2011)
    Right to choose up until viability of the fetus. (May 2011)
    Leave the decision up to the woman. (Jan 2001)

    I agree with him on the abortion issue, but this issue is not one of main issues of concern, so I wouldn't base my vote on this issue.

    National debt, approaching $20 trillion, is bankrupting us. (Jan 2016)
    National debt of $20 trillion is obscene & unsustainable. (Jan 2016)
    Lay out a process for state bankruptcies. (Aug 2012)
    No bank bailout; no farm subsidies; no stimulus. (May 2012)
    Cut federal budget by 43% to bring it into balance. (Feb 2012)
    Trillion-dollar stimulus failed; so will another $450B? (Sep 2011)
    We could have avoided default without raising debt ceiling. (Aug 2011)
    Ending the fed OK, but that's only part of the solution. (Aug 2011)
    Stop incurring more debt; balanced budget by 2013. (Jul 2011)
    Our debt is greatest threat to our national security. (Jul 2011)
    Opposed TARP, stimulus & Fannie Mae bailout. (Jul 2011)
    End the Fed; they've devalued the dollar by printing money. (May 2011)
    On verge of financial collapse unless we balance budget. (May 2011)
    Balance budget by cutting entitlements AND Defense. (Apr 2011)
    Uphold commitments to states before other spending. (Sep 2001)

    I also agree with the above stances on our national debt EXCEPT for cutting our entitlements or defense budgets. (Those are my liberal/conservative views, I guess :))
     
  11. ChrisL

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    I agree with Gary here too EXCEPT that I don't have any problem with homosexuals being married. This, again, is not a main issue that I would be concerned about.

    Supports separation of religion and state. (Aug 2011)
    Prostitution is safer when legal and regulated. (Jun 2011)
    I support gay unions; government out of marriage business. (Apr 2011)
    Support principles embodied in the Equal Rights Amendment. (Feb 2001)
    Overturn CA Prop. 8: Let gays marry. (Apr 2013)

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    Here . . . I don't really agree with him. I think corporations SHOULD pay their fair share of taxes. It's the least they can do to help the people who keep them in business. Okay, the double taxation thing should be done away with, I suppose.

    Eliminate double taxation embodied in business income taxes. (Jan 2016)
    Built Big J Enterprises into leading construction company. (Aug 2012)
    Visited Occupy Wall Street; we need radical surgery. (Feb 2012)
    Started a one-man handyman business; grew it to 1,000 people. (Sep 2011)
    Eliminate corporate income tax as real way to create jobs. (Jun 2011)
    Lower the tax burden; eliminate corporate tax. (May 2011)
     
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    Socialism Works Well-Known Member

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    Why make it a public poll? Isn't voting secret in the USA?
     
  13. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    I can understand, really I can, but I do think it's important that maybe NEXT election season, we step out of the box and start examining other options besides the two main party candidates. Ignore what the rhetoric of the two parties that THEY are the only two choices, because that's just not true. We have to examine the candidates for ourselves and not listen to the media or the parties and their talking points if we really want to make changes in our government.

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    The only thing I disagree with here is the statement that he opposes violence to government employees??? Well of course! We should oppose violence directed towards any innocent person! That is just like . . . duuuuhhhh. Lol.

    Too many unnecessary laws leads to too many in prison. (Jan 2016)
    Vetoed early release of prisoners due to overcrowding. (Aug 2012)
    Vetoed hate crime legislation as thought-crime. (Aug 2012)
    Built private prisons to replace out-of-state prisoners. (Aug 2012)
    Private prisons cost $20 less/day than public control. (Aug 2012)
    DNA evidence shows many people are mistakenly convicted. (Aug 2012)
    1994: Proponent of death penalty, but willing to debate it. (Jan 2012)
    Death penalty as a public policy is flawed. (Jan 2012)
    Don't risk putting innocent to death. (Aug 2011)
    Half of crime is drug-related; legalizing drugs cuts crime. (Jan 2001)
    Supports flexible federal block grants for crime programs. (Sep 2001)
    Zero tolerance for violence against government employees. (Aug 2001)
     
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    Trump, because I cannot stand Hillary Clinton, no I detest her...and Gary has no shot, nor is he in any way motivating figure.
     
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    While energy issues are also not at the top of my concerns, I pretty much agree with his stance on energy/climate issues.

    Cap-&-trade imposes costs with no environmental improvement. (Aug 2012)
    Alternative energy good; ethanol subsidies bad. (Nov 2011)
    Supports nuclear power. (Aug 2011)
    Current policy prevents common-sense energy development. (Jul 2011)
    No cap-and-trade; no taxing carbon emissions. (Jul 2011)
    I accept global warming but not cap-and-trade. (Jun 2011)
    Voluntary partnerships reduce greenhouse gases economically. (Aug 2000)
    Kyoto Treaty must include reductions by all countries. (Aug 2000)
    Federal tax incentives for energy, with state decisions. (Aug 2001)

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    Only at the polls. This is completely optional. If you don't want to vote, then don't. I made it public because I wanted to see.
     
  16. ChrisL

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    I pretty much agree with Gary on these next few issues, even if some are a little bit outdated.

    We can no longer afford to shell out billions in foreign aid. (Feb 2012)
    No foreign aid spending unless it protects U.S. interests. (Nov 2011)
    Flights to Cuba ok; trade promotes friendship. (Sep 2011)
    Act in US self-interest, but wary of unintended consequences. (Aug 2011)

    Strong advocate of term limits for governors & Congress. (Jan 2016)
    New SuperPAC, "Our America PAC", for principled candidates. (Dec 2013)
    Should government be doing this policy in the first place? (Aug 2012)
    Won 1994 with $510K of own money & not beholden. (Aug 2012)
    750 vetoes & contentious relationship with legislature. (Aug 2012)
    OpEd: managed to improve the state while slashing the budget. (Nov 2011)
    Vetoed more bills than all other governors combined. (Sep 2011)
    As governor, vetoed 750 bills. (Jul 2011)
    Government creates jobs by reducing its role, not expanding. (Jul 2011)
    "Governor No": 742 total vetoes of bills over two terms. (Jul 2011)
    1996 tort reform: limit punitive damage awards. (Jul 2011)
    Unlimited campaign contributions by corporations. (Jul 2011)
    Cost benefit analysis on all government spending. (May 2011)
    Full disclosure, but no limits on campaign donations. (Jan 2001)
    Term limits let politicians focus on issues, not re-election. (Jan 2001)
    Reforms must respect state's rights to select electors. (Aug 2001)

    Supports gun ownership rights. (Aug 2012)
    Laws regarding guns are ineffective. (May 2011)

    Current tax code penalizes productivity & investment. (Jan 2016)
    23% national sales tax while eliminating the IRS. (May 2012)
    Get rid of income tax and capital-gains tax. (Feb 2012)
    FairTax on all new goods & services, with prebates for poor. (Feb 2012)
    FairTax would absolutely reboot the American economy. (Sep 2011)
    Replace tax system with a FairTax. (Sep 2011)
    Replace job-killing tax code with FairTax. (Sep 2011)
    Reduce state personal income tax from 8.5% to 8%. (Jul 2011)
    No national sales tax or VAT. (Feb 2000)

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    Another trumpster??? *SMH* :( This makes me soooo . . . disappointed. Gary has no shot exactly BECAUSE of this attitude.
     
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    So, overall, I agree with Gary Johnson on a LOT of issues, although there are a few things that I don't agree with him on. Those that I don't agree with though are not very big factors in my choice of candidate. Having said that though, I do NOT like his stance on immigration too much, and that is kind of an important issue to me. This is where I have to completely disagree with Gary, as I am more anti-immigration, realizing that our resources are limited and that good paying jobs are not easy to come by currently.

    Bigger border fence will only produce taller ladders. (Jan 2016)
    Arizona anti-immigrant law leads to racial profiling. (Aug 2012)
    A 10-foot wall just requires an 11-foot ladder. (Aug 2012)
    2 year grace period for illegals to get work visas. (Nov 2011)
    1 strike & you're out for legal immigrants who violate terms. (Nov 2011)
    Let some, but not all, illegal immigrants stay in US. (Nov 2011)
    We educate the world's best & brightest; why send them back? (Jun 2011)
    Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers. (Jan 2001)
    Mexican immigrants are pursuing same dreams we all have. (Jan 2001)
    Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
    Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
     
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    I am sorry Gary is inarticulate, and plain boring, he is not the leader of the Free World. Trump is a knucklehead but he is a leader, and I think we need a shakeup in Washington. Would I prefer someone else, Yes I would but he is the only choice I see.
     
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    Okay, so you "detest" Hillary, but is that the only reason why you are voting for Trump? What other reasons are you going to give your vote to the Donald?
     
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    Gary Johnson has no chance of ever getting my vote. He agreed with Obama's executive action on immigration (which thankfully was blocked by the Supreme Court) and he disagrees with the US deportation policies. He said this to a Latino audience. Nice pandering.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...on-many-f/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
     
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    I don't see him as much of a strong leader when he can't handle a little criticism from Megan Kelly. Lol. :) He's a celebrity, a rich silly celebrity.!

    Boring???! So what? It's better than being a belligerent, obnoxious, embarrassing "reality show" president any DAY! :) Hillary, she is just a crook and I just don't trust her whatsoever. I feel that way about any politician who would make excuses for Islam but blame honest law abiding American citizens for the few psychos that do mass shootings.
     
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    None....The None Hillary trait is most appealing

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    As I said Johnson is a bad choice, a President must be able to sell himself.
     
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    Well, I think when it comes to voting, we need to be voting for the BEST candidates, not the "least worst" candidates. As citizens, it is entirely up to US to make changes. Otherwise, things are going to continue same old, same old.
     
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    When the US House, chose Ryan as speaker, under HIS conditions, my perception of "Establishment", became clear. He (Ryan) proceeded to IMO, get virtually every Obama policy financed, saying it was a "give and take" agreement, but couldn't think of a single take. While he does get home every week end, the world has been slipping into total chaos and Obama, along with an "establishment" representation in both parties, gets their expected time off...

    If anything, Trump is not a traditional candidate, at 70 is working 24/7/365 to fill a job most his age wouldn't think of taking and most certainly didn't/doesn't need the power or money the job offers. This said, I will promote any person, either party, who believes anywhere near in his/her country, as I believe Mr. Trump does....
     
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    And how often have you heard Gary Johnson speak that gives you the impression that he can't sell himself? He was a governor of New Mexico, you know.

    Gary Earl Johnson is an American businessman, politician, and the Libertarian Party nominee for President of the United States in the 2016 election. He served as the 29th Governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003 as a member of the Republican Party. Wikipedia
     

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