How does the Bible NOT condemn homosexuality?

I've been told that verses such as Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26-28 are not talking about homosexuality. I'm wondering (1) what Bible are you reading and (2) how do you interpret it to mean something else?

 

Pretty much the same way that people interpret Deuteronomy 22 to mean different than it says.

As the Pirate's Code Goes -
"The code be more a set of guidelines than actual rules ..."

 

The Levites wrote Leviticus some 800 years after Moses... and most scholars think Peter wrote Romans.

 

Same way you interpret what you interpret.
Leviticus 18:22 says that it is an abomination, not a sin. An abomination is something to be hated. But Christ commands Christians not to. So if you completely blow off the new testament than yeah I suppose you could say the bible says to hate gays. Bit it doesn't say it's a sin.


Romans 1:26-28 Talks about giving up natural relationships for unnatural ones.

For a homosexual person same sex relationships are natural.

 

I wonder why you didn't even bother to post the quotes?

So lets take each one separately.

Do you follow the guidelines of Leviticus- and do you condemn those who do not follow Leviticus?

Lets look at Leviticus 18

19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.

21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

So I agree that Leviticus is commanding Jewish men not to have sex with another man. Don't see anything about women not having sex with women.

And Leviticus puts it on the same level as not having sex with a woman while she is 'unclean'- Leviticus has quite a few rules about menstruating women- and how they are 'unclean'- and how men shouldn't even touch what she has touched.

So you do you believe in all of Leviticus? Or only the parts that you think should apply to others?

 

And Romans is not Paul telling Christians not to have homosexual sex- he is warning Christians about what will happen if they are not good Christians

And Paul lumps male homosexuals (who become homosexuals because they reject god) with those who disobey their parents- and gossips.

29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

that is OT, OT don't count anymore

 

I forgot but who the tell us Molek? Sounds like a Czech or a Slovak name.

 

They had gods in those days that required humans sacrifices, they would burn infants as a sacrifice to appease those gods and in order to obtain some type of magic powers.

 

It is all manmade. Since gods never talk, humans make what they want out of it.

https://godfinderarchive.wordpress.com/category/godfinder/

 

Oh ok so Molek was one of the pagan gods. Hey even a real God told Abraham to kill his own son as a sacrifice. Lucky that BIG G our God changed husband mind so Bbe,s son lived. The sacrificing ig humans is one really stupid practice of many religions back in the " good old days".

 

Who is Big G, and what is a 'real god'?

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=U...AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=him big fella God&f=false

 

Thanks. I think

 

First off God didn't said he hated gays. He said he hates homosexuality. And second a sin is something God hates also.

Like homosexuality.

I'm think he's referring to what natural to mankind. Plus why did he said "men with men"?

 

Too lazy I'm afraid.

Yes.

I believe it's implied. It does say that women should not lay with beasts.

All of it.

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For one it isn't in my book and for another there's still Romans.

 

A growing number of people do not believe in your beliefs.
Leviticus is OT and was overwritten by the NT.
The word "homosexual" did not exist and the word your are referring to in those passages does not translate to homosexual.

Odd how the bible specifically says numerous times you do not have the right to judge others yet you ignore those passages and focus on a single passage that may not even mean what you want it to mean.

 

First, the bible said it was an abomination, not God. The bible isn't God. Second second it uses the word abomination, not sin.

You're making a lot of leaps.

You aren't God what you think doesn't matter.

Paul being the he that said it was not really an authority on biological. Clearly homosexuality is natural to man kind.

He didn't. He said Sodomy, meaning the sin of Sodom, which was being inhospitable to strangers. Not homosexuality.

 

Not a chance.

You are applying your interpretation to the Bible. You have to apply the context and meaning of the writers.

In the Bible and in Judaism, "abomination" means something that is particularly forbidden and unclean in a religious sense. An abomination is most certainly a sin and an affront to God.

Romans 1:18-32 is a discussion of the sinful people, it lists many sins including (NIV):

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity...........​

"unnatural acts" includes homosexuality, bestiality, etc.

 

You are wrong in a huge way. The Bible does not say not to judge, Judaism and Christianity are all about judgment, the Old and New Testaments are full of passages about judgment. Christians are required to admonish against sin - to identify sin requires judgment of peoples actions. "Judge not...." in Matthew 7 does not say to not judge, it says do not be a hypocrite, read the entire section.

Nowhere does the New Testament claim that Christians should tolerate sin, ignore sin, enable sin, act as if sin is acceptable as long as the Christian does not do it and ignores it in others. Just the opposite.

 

That's all anybody does.

I am doing that as well. They had no idea what homosexuality was. That cane into understanding in the 19th century.

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

No it doesn't. Homosexuality is natural to humanity.

If you're going to say it's not natural because the bible says it's not, than you discredit the bible because science says it is.

If the bible doesn't apply to humans as they are but as people 7 Millennia ago thought they were, your entire religion is a lie.

If you're going to say that the bible is the biological authority than you reject the entirety of science.

 

No- it is not implied. Leviticus is very clear which rules apply to men- and which rules apply to women.

So you really claim you follow all of the rules of Leviticus? Really?

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

So you refuse to wear a cotton/poly blend woven shirt? Or any clothing woven of any combination of cotton/linen/rayon/silk/polyester?

Are you an orthodox Jew? They are the only ones I know who follow the rules of Leviticus- but of course if you were you wouldn't care what Paul said.

27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

You don't cut your hair or shave your beard?

9 “‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Do you believe anyone who curses their father or mother should be put to death?

25 “‘You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground—those that I have set apart as unclean for you. 2

Do you follow the dietary rules of Leviticus?

3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord.

Do you follow the sabbath rules- in other words- do you not do any work on Saturday?

 

John 13:34



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Say who?

Paul is very specific in identifying the 'sinful act' of men having sex with men- if that is what he meant about women- why didn't he say that? And if he meant that to include bestiality- then why didn't he mention bestiality in regards to men?

And remember- this passage is not condemning homosexuality- this passage is condemning those who

21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

And for those people that gave up the 'glory of the immortal God'- that God gave them up to 'dishonorable passions"

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Yep- male homosexuality- on par with being disobediant to your parents.

I wonder why Christians don't spend as much time condemning those who do not obey their parents?



26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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I wonder how many who attempt to condemn homosexuality because of Leviticus follow this rule:

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

 

Yes it does on the second part. Care to explain why it doesn't?

They are talking about hypocritical judgment, not judgment period.