EU to slap sanctions on Poland?

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  1. PolakPotrafi

    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    First they wanted to slap sanctions on Poland for rejecting the Muslim refugee quotas.(As if that calls for economic sanctions )

    http://www.dw.com/en/berlin-calls-for-sanctions-on-eu-states-that-reject-refugee-quotas/a-18714957

    Now they want to slap sanctions on Poland for Polish PiS (Law and Justice) for putting it's own judges into the Polish Sejm parliament, which was supposedly illegal, however the previous ruling Leftists of Poland poisoned the well, by making a law before they left so they could put in their own Leftist judges to sabotage Law, and Justice, which Law and Justice threw those judges out. (As if that calls for economic sanctions )

    https://next.ft.com/content/1573dccc-632e-3281-8b0b-efc375f536fa

    I think this is simply getting out of control, the EU is stepping it's bounds, or chutzpah simply too much.
     
  2. RUS

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    The Poles are willing to enjoy all the benefits of Western democracy.
    The Poles are not willing to bear the burden of Western democracy. (I think that the burden - there is idiotic burden.)
    Poles - are sly people. :)

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  3. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You might want to inform yourself better about the issue.
    http://www.independent.ie/world-new...poland-over-rule-of-law-dispute-34764447.html

    Poland has to follow the rules the signed up for. That's how the system works. Otherwise they can pack their bags and repay the money they have received from the EU.
     
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    This rules - it is bringing a noble democratic ideas to the absurd.
    This is very similar to the "construction of communism throughout the".... EU..
     
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    Before you spread around such a BS, it is better to inform you about any backgrounds f the topic instead to bash with the lame and ridiculous bashing on refugees of which Poland took not a single one until now!
    There are only some 2nd class politicians telling around in Brussel to make sanctions … but honestly they are right! It can’t be that Poland wants to get money like mad from EU, but without having duties in community for it!

    However … real sanctions are probably coming, because Poland wants to end press freedom and above all his own liberal constitution.

    And before you come that I have no idea and clue …

    Jestem żonaty z Polką od 12 lat! Mogę języka polskiego racjonalnie i mam bliskie powiązania w Polsce!
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If we could get back the gobsmacking number of £££squillions we've paid in over 4 decades why, we'd be able to pay off our national debt and still have a bit left over. We could use it for a party to celebrate getting the hell out. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reality of not being in the EU is coming Cerb.

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    Try English... I don't understand what you are saying.
     
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  9. PolakPotrafi

    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    Unlike the ridiculously biased Liberal media, and Liberal EU.

    This link below gives a more balanced picture.

    The former Liberal ruling Polish party Civic Platform or PO installed 5 of their Liberal judges right before they left office, 2 of them were illegal, an 3 of them were done by a new law they put into place, which is the REAL START OF IT.

    However, the ridiculously biased Liberals didn't go nuts when that happened, no they went nuts when Conservative Polish PiS or Law, and Justice tried to combat their poisoning the well.

    https://www.newikis.com/en/wiki/Polish_constitutional_crisis,_2015
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure... The Liberal EU has decided to punish conservative Poland.
    I love Americans commenting on Europe. You just project your own politics unto ours and think that works.
    Poland is violating EU rules. Nothing liberal or conservative about. Just laws.
     
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    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    Isn't it some thing, that those who boast of Democracy in Western Europe, are pushing not Democracy, but rather are bullying people to accept Muslim refugees.

    Judging by the multiple Muslims behind terrorism in Germany, France, Belgium, and the U.S.A in the past year or so, it seems wise of Poland to not accept these Muslim refugees.

    Poland took many refugees over the years.

    Don't forget that during the Medieval era when Germans were mass murdering, and mass expelling Ashkenazi Jews, Poland accepted thousands upon thousands of Jewish refugees.

    That's not the only ones, Poland accepted Armenian refugees, and Shaman Tatar refugees, who were brutalized by Muslims.

    In more recent years Poland has accepted some Chechen, Vietnamese, and Ukrainian refugees.
     
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    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    So, where was the Liberal EU, and Liberal media to go nuts when Polish Liberals of PO, or the Civic Platform elected 2 judges illegally in October?

    No where, they didn't go nuts until Polish Conservatives of PiS, or Law, and Justice went onto replace 2 illegal judges, and 3 other judges who were elected by a law created by Liberal PO (Civic Platform) which could be considered an unconstitutional law in it's self.

    Yes, I do happen to think this is Liberals unrightfully going against Conservatives.
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The EU is not liberal nor is it conservative. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2015_en.htm

    The Commission is not liberal or conservative. It is a mix of ministers from each member state. They all agreed on this. They come from all kinds of parties left and right.

    Here;
    http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm

    http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/european-commission/index_en.htm

    Educate yourself.
     
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    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    How the EU has reacted to Poland proves it's not just Liberal, but ridiculously Liberal.

    They've reacted for Poland not accepting Liberal totalitarian quotas to accept refugees, and they've completely went off base on this so called Polish Constitutional crisis.

    Did you know if not for PiS (Law, and Justice) putting in these 5 PiS Conservative judges, that 14 out of 15 Polish judges would be Liberal PO (Civic platform)?

    Is that right?

    Oh, okay it's right for the Polish Liberals of PO to make up 14 out of 15 judges, with 2 of them being elected illegally, and 3 of them bought in by a new law that to put in 5 judges to make up a ridiculously imbalance of Liberal, to Conservative judges in Poland?

    That's fair?

    No, it's not, even as we speak there's 6 Polish PiS Conservative judges, to 9 Polish PO Liberal judges, now that's more balanced.
     
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    You already proved your ignorance.
     
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    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    Only totalitarian Liberals promote refugee quotas upon other nations who don't want it.
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure thing... You really like those buzzwords. A sure sign of ignorance.

    Move along. Clearly these European matters are out of your league.
     
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    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    So, Conservatives, or Liberals for Democracy would promote shoving refugee quotas down other nations throats?
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go see if you can find some totalitarian liberals you can ask:roflol:
     
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    Well, it's definitely socially Liberal / Leftist people, who are saying that every nation in the EU must accept Muslim refugees in the EU.

    It's definitely not a Conservative, nor a Democratic process.
     
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    Poland's government has come under fire in recent weeks for refusing to take in the 7,000 refugees Warsaw had already agreed to accept in 2015. After the Brussels attacks, Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said she wasn't "okay with accepting any number of migrants at all" and criticized German Chancellor Angela Merkel for having "invited migrants into Europe" in the first place.

    Confronted with Poland's reluctance to take in refugees, Waszczykowski said: "We will respect international law, and those who qualify as refugees have a right to apply for asylum in Poland."

    Waszczykowski refused to give specific answers regarding a quote made by his party's leader, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who said that refugees coming to Europe have brought diseases like cholera and dysentery to Europe.

    The World Health Organization has come out and refuted Mr. Kaczynski on the issue. Critics have said Kaczynski is fostering hate and fanning the flames of racism with statements like this.

    In the "Conflict Zone" interview, Waszczykowski agreed with Kaczynski, saying that sometimes refugees do bring diseases.

    Discrimination based on any grounds, such as religion, is prohibited according to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU.

    But in a previous interview with The Middle East Eye, Waszczykowski said that "an individual who arrives in Poland must demonstrate that he or she can integrate in our culture and society. Therefore, we can place greater hopes that Christian refugees have more potential to assimilate."

    http://www.dw.com/en/is-polands-governing-law-and-justice-party-dismantling-democracy/a-19184479

    Poland's right-wing ruling party is somewhat similar to France's National Front. The party leader has made some controversial comments on refugees, echoing Marine Le Pen. The Law and Justice (PiS) party further scrapped a public body designed to fight racism and investigate “hate crimes” in May.
     
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    Refuted, oh really?


    http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/refugee-camps-are-a-breeding-ground-for-disease/1514910.html

    The U.N. agencies are blaming serious food and water problems at many refugee camps for the spread of life-threatening diseases.

    Officials say cholera, malaria and jaundice -- combined with malnutrition -- are threatening refugees who had hoped to be safe after they entered the camps.
     
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    Funny that Western Europeans seem to see nothing with prejudices against Polish people.

    The Polish thief jokes in Germany, the Polish plumber jokes in France, or the constant bombardment of anti-Polish agenda coming out of British media painting Polish as a major criminal, or welfare abuser population.

    But, I suppose that's okay, because Polish are White Catholics on the whole.
     
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    Yeah ... sure ... investigate more proper about your own country without looking through pink glasses, before insulting others!
    Shaman Tatar refugees? Interesting that you have a minority of always in Poland living Tatars, isn't it!

    And before you write such a BS about Progrom ... look where the most Propgroms were done first!
    And that you are highlighting these few groups of refugees which are in total sum lesser as 10,000 is really strange. We have in Germany more Chechens, Armenians and all the others you name ... aside the refugees! No man ... Poland is not even willing to take those 40% Christian refugees and this is the reason for anger!
     
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    it means

    This rules had pushed a noble democratic ideas to the absurd.
    This democratic process is very similar the "construction of communism throughout the".... EU..
     

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