Turkey and Erdogan: Here comes the (Real) Caliphate.....

If today’s Western leaders possess one general trait, it’s a genius for self-deception. Insisting that Islamist terror has nothing to do with Islam, or that religion has no strategic impact, or that all human beings want freedom and democracy, amounts to declaring that up is down, right is left and night is day.

And midnight is coming for millions in Turkey, even as we insist that a dying flashlight is the sun.

Over the past few years, many Americans heard the term “caliphate” for the first time as ISIS declared that the territory it seized from Iraq and Syria was the caliphate reborn. To us, “caliphate” appeared to be just another name for a vast torture chamber. But for hundreds of millions of Muslims, many of whom have nothing to do with ISIS, the caliphate is associated with a lost and much-romanticized golden age when the caliph, who was also the Turkish sultan, claimed spiritual dominion over all Muslims.

At the time, the Muslim world split into two camps. On March 8, 1924, The Economist captured the difference: For Turks and other nationalities newly free of Ottoman rule, “the Western idea of nationality is in the ascendant and the Caliphate is losing its power over the imagination.” So far, so good.

But the journal went on to note that for Muslims under colonial rule, “the Caliphate carries a message of salvation through an international Muslim solidarity.”

That message of salvation, if not yet of solidarity, is back. The ragtag ISIS caliphate is merely the forerunner of the more ambitious caliphate to come.

It’s coming in Turkey.....snip~

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/21/turkey-and-erdogan-here-comes-real-caliphate.html?ref=yfp

Its clear some others can see thru the smoke and mirrors as to what is taking place with Turkey and Erdogan. More and more the alleged coup just isn't looking like one. What do you think, will Turkey be the New and Improved caliphate?

 

Thing is this MMC, the US needs Turkey to choke off Russia's access to the Mediterranean if we should ever need to go to war against Russia. Not only that but the US can pick off Russian targets in the Black Sea and elsewhere from Turkey. As a result of that, we will put up with Turkey's crap, just like we do Saudi Arabia's and Israel's for that matter.

 

I thought bout that.....but what if Erdogan decides he sees a bigger picture

 

That is a very, very good question. I was thinking about that as well after you posted your thread. To be frank and earnest, I'm no fan of all these regime change exercises that the US has engaged in recently. However, for reasons that I mentioned, the one place that I can think of where a reasonable case can be made for the US to engage in some covert, possibly overt if necessary, regime change is Turkey. As long as we can project power from Turkey, we really have no reason to fear Russia. We need only to give them some space to operate in, and they will stay in their place. That's why I think its a big mistake to make a big deal over Crimea. Putin had to do that. That's the only place where the Russian have any type of naval power that is significant. So what if they have it? Let them knock themselves out there. If push comes to shove, we could destroy Russian naval power in the Black Sea that is based in Crimea from Turkey.

All this other stuff we have been doing is simply a useless waste of money, and has only brought more instability in the world. Iraq is a prime example of that sort of nonsense. Sometimes I don't know what the hell the leaders of this country are thinking when they make such decisions.

 

Erdogan’s revenge
Turkey’s president is destroying the democracy that Turks risked their lives to defend.....

But two things are clear. First, the people of Turkey showed great bravery in coming out onto the streets to confront the soldiers; hundreds died (see article here and here). Opposition parties, no matter how much they may despise President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, united to denounce the assault on democracy. Better the flawed, Islamist-tinged strongman than the return of the generals for the fifth time since the 1960s.

The second, more alarming conclusion is that Mr Erdogan is fast destroying the very democracy that the people defended with their lives. He has declared a state of emergency that will last at least three months. About 6,000 soldiers have been arrested; thousands more policemen, prosecutors and judges have been sacked or suspended. So have academics, teachers and civil servants, though there is little sign they had anything to do with the coup. Secularists, Kurds and other minorities feel intimidated by Mr Erdogan’s loyalists on the streets.

The purge is so deep and so wide—affecting at least 60,000 people—that some compare it to America’s disastrous de-Baathification of Iraq. It goes far beyond the need to preserve the security of the state. Mr Erdogan conflates dissent with treachery; he is staging his own coup against Turkish pluralism. Unrestrained, he will lead his country to more conflict and chaos. And that, in turn, poses a serious danger to Turkey’s neighbours, to Europe and to the West......snip~

http://www.economist.com/news/leade...racy-turks-risked-their-lives-defend-erdogans

Erdogan and Turkey has become a major problem that will have to be dealt with.

 

Here is Eric Margolis's take on the events in Turkey:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/eric-margolis/real-story-behind-coup/

 

Most Muslims don't want another caliphate because the last one was such a dud that pushed the Arab world backwards into poverty, illiteracy and stagnation.

 

Good link, Tommy. Thanks.

 

Well, with what has taken place with Bo in Syria and with the Russians. Nothing is going to stop what is taking place with the Ukraine. BO has capitulated to the Russians.

BO and his Team know that Erdogan is taking out all his opposition. They know he has shut down Media. Now he wants to blame this coup on Guden here in the US. The least BO and his team can do is highlight Erdogan in the Media. Although, I doubt the Europeans will say much about it.

 

The #1 point at the bottom of this link may become interesting:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/352703-top-10-turkey-failed-coup/

 

Yet there are plenty of Muslims that do. Whats interesting to note.....is they all don't just come from one or two different countries. That there are many in several Muslim countries that do believe in that Caliphate.

Did you ever notice that?

 

Russia Today asserts US orchestrated Turkey coup attempt:
https://www.rt.com/news/353126-campbell-nato-coup-turkey/

 

Sorry ... nonsense! Majority of Muslims are modern thinking people and they won't have some Western life style so far that it is Ok for their traditions... and I don't speak about such century old BS of tradition.

It is really amazing how BS can spread out and infect so many brains to make believe biggest BS telling of lies and exaggerations. There is one group thinking and fighting for a caliphate state backed on Koran and this group is called ISIS. And even if we say that there are about 1,500,000 Muslim people around the globe who find this good up to support ISIS etc. ... what will exaggerated again ... it is in sum not 1% of Muslim population in the world!

There is an unbelievable generalization of points and things milling around about Islam, Jihadist and so on and it is so shameful that so many people jump on this train to believe the BS spread around ... that someone must feel back to Nazi time when they tell about Jews same sort of BS to reason the genocide.
Even when someone puts the nose of these BS blabbering people on facts, they tell ice cold that they don't care about truth or come with other BS blabbering that is uninteresting.

Example? How many of the Islam group called Alevi made until now any terror act against anyone in the world? Not a single one!
What have the Alevi to do with ISIS at least? They are hunted like animals and being barbaric tortured and killed by ISIS as "wrong believers" in Allah!
Do these undeniable facts change anything about the general bashing on Muslims? Does it change any mind to understand that these people become refugees and search a save harbor to survive?

 

6,000 rounded up so soon after this pathetic 'coup?' Where have they been taken? This is a simple opportunistic political purge, reeking of local Arabic politics....and we ought stay well away from it. But, we will not be able to help ourselves, coming up with all sorts of reasons (see above for example) why we must meddle. How about trying something new "The West?' Get out of there, let them have their sword fights all by themselves.

 

I question why a democratically-elected president and parliament in Turkey would think that a purge is desirable or necessary?
https://www.rt.com/news/353126-campbell-nato-coup-turkey/

Orchestrating a coup attempt of a NATO country seems over-the-top even for the US, and if true might it indicate desperation over US foreign policy by neoconservatives in the State Dept. and Pentagon who recently urged increased action against the Turkey's allied Syrian regime?

 

Did you want to try and say that there isn't Muslims in different countries all over the planet that believe in a Caliphate.

You do know that the Z-Man of AQ has stated the True Caliphate is with Afghanistan, Right? Then there is Ansar al Sharia that believes in a Caliphate.

What needs to be done is break the Muslims down by ethnicity, after doing so......there will be a conclusion that Arab Muslims make up the majority in believing in the fantasy. Its the Arab Muslims that are out conducting terror more than any other Muslims on the planet.

What Price should the Arabs pay for their Delusion and the game they play? They have killed innocents.....they have Killed other Muslims. Christians, Buddhists, Westerners and any that don't believe as they do.

Why shouldn't all other Arab Muslims have to suffer due to their own kind (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up and hiding from those that will kill them outright.

I guarantee you if ALL other Arab Muslims are made to suffer for the actions of those like themselves. They will either fold and wither away or they will make a stand and go after their Heretics.

Now that being said.....such isn't saying that there aren't other muslims outside of the Arabs that have been infected with Jihadi Syndrome.

 

Yes. Mostly impoverished countries.. They want a monthly check from the oil producers and rail against investing in healthcare, education and clean water.

 

So yes.....there are Muslims in different countries that believe in a Caliphate, correct? No one cares what they want.

But eventually some will make them care about what comes out of their mouth and what their actions are.

 

I was not suggesting this was a US inspired coup. I do suspect it was an Ergadon inspired one with the intent of shoring up national support for himself, and to purge his political opponents.

 

You don't think it was the work of retired NATO General Campbell?

 

I have no idea, and I do not believe anything about politics in the schmedia. https://www.rt.com/news/353126-campbell-nato-coup-turkey/ The "coup" was so easily quelled, troops gave up with not even a whimper.....it looked pathetic, and then within days, 6000 were rounded up, taken somewhere (??????) and public support for Erdagon surges as the same rate as the purge increased. I am suspicious.

 

If the coup attempt was orchestrated by the US, or if Erdogan thinks it was, it could push Turkey into being allied with Russia, and with Syria again, enemy of my enemy and all that. Kind of interesting in a macabre way.

 

Turkey is a still a democracy.. and they have the right to protect themselves from a military coup.. After 9-11 the US put thousands in gitmo and nobody criticized us.

Christianity in Turkey

Since up to 98 percent of the population are Muslims, Christians are obviously a minority religion in Turkey. Because it is a secular country, the only Muslim country in the world that has no state religion, the Constitution guarantees religious freedom, and tolerance is the rule.

The population includes members of the Armenian Apostolic and Greek Orthodox churches, Roman and Eastern Catholics, and Jews. Today, approximately 120,000 Christians and 26,000 Jews live in Turkey, out of 73 million of the total population.

Dispute continues, however, over what part Islam should have in Turkish life. It is one of the most controversial issues in Turkey today, and may at some point alter whether Turkish society is organized on a secular or religious basis.

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/hristiyan.htm

 

But why must we treat Russia as the enemy? I think we have much more common interest with Russia then the Turk Barbarians, or the Chinese Ant farm. An alliance with Russia makes far more sense then one with the Hordes of the Steppes.

 

Russia backs Iran which backs Hezbollah, the al Houthis in Yemen and Assad.

Assad's refusal to step down is responsible for the Syrian refugees... and the rise of ISIS.