Did Trump say "all" Muslims are to be banned?

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  1. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    I can't seem to find a quote where Trump says that Every or All Muslims are to be banned from entering U.S.
    There are plenty of quotes from the media saying that, but not from Trump.

    This is what is posted on his website ...
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
    (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.​

    He did not say "all Muslims". Just a total shutdown of Muslims. Which Muslims?
    And later on he said that Muslims are to be vetted and selectively allowed to come in.

    What am I missing?

    Thanks,
    Ed
     
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    You think TOTAL SHUTDOWN does not mean all? Really?
     
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    What does "Total and complete shutdown" mean to you?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Lol, Trumpeters are now waffling on what "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" means and are pretending it was in any way ambiguous? The "test" he later proposed essentially consisted of asking people if they are Muslim and not letting them in if they are.

    I can diagram the sentence if you want, but his meaning could not have been clearer. He's backpeddled since then, but there is no changing what he originally said.
     
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    Trump says things in such a muddled manner that any reasonable person can drawn various conclusions from what the guys says. Trump being a real estate developer is a lot like a real estate salesman in that they start lying to them selfves 30 minutes before they are Tto meet with a client.

    Bottom line is Trump lies,Tells untruths, lies , mire lies, changes his story, fibs, lies some more, obscures the truth, makes up S----, and other bike crap.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    He clarified it as total shutdown of Muslims that are not vetted ... wasn't he talking talking about vetting problem since day 1.
     
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    He did not "clarify" any such thing. He changed his mind.
     
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    Yes, he was talking about the vetting problem that our own government itself says is inadequate.
     
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    Total shutdown of Muslims that are not vetted.
    From what I read, "all" and "every" Muslims was what the media was saying.
     
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    And he said there is currently no way to vet Muslims so yeah, it means shutdown of ALL Muslim immigration by default. u
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Trump plays the media like a violin.

    They are the ones that put their foot in their mouth and then promote their "interpretation" as a fact to the ones that hate Trump.
    They believe it (because it is easy to believe when you hate someone).
     
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    Trump's Muslim policy is ridiculous.

    Nobody (except delusional Alt-Right loons) takes him seriously.

    Is it any wonder that he is headed for an embarrassing landslide LOSS?
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    When he said "no way to vet Muslims" did he say there is no way to vet ALL Muslims of just the ones in a context of Syrian refugees or migrants and the like?
    There certainly is a way to vet legitimate Muslim tourists, businessmen, political figures who have their papers in order.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Can you show me where he said that the "test" is "of asking people if they are Muslim and not letting them in if they are" ... assuming asking every individual whether of not s/he is a Muslim and not letting them in because any one of them is a Muslim?
    Not what the media said, but his quote?
     
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    Because emulating the EU would be such good policy. LOL France is now sending cops to schools to protect children.
     
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    To change a mind means one needs to say something that is opposite of what he said before.
    Like pro abortion and against abortion. That is changing one's position because the mind is changed.
    He said he changed his mind on abortion.

    How did he change his mind and his position on extreme vetting of all Muslims who have no papers?
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    And I can say that any one who does not comprehend that Muslims are hijacked by the radical Islamic mafia still believe that the Democratic Party is not hijacked by the Liberals, Socialists and Communists.
     
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    https://youtu.be/5I3E3-U-1jc

    For the quick highlight, you can watch from the 15:00 mark to the 15:30 minute mark. For more context, you can start at the 14ish mark or just watch the whole video. He mentions exceptions for things like sporting events, but that's about it.

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    He changed his mind on a complete shutdown of "Mooslems" entering the U.S.
     
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    You are missing the viciousness of a corrupt media that lies.
     
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    And you are missing the way that Trump's supporters will ignore his words or invent new meanings for them in order to avoid the idiocy of his own statements.
     
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    You use the Mafia as an analogy. Wasn't too long ago people were calling for restrictions against Itallians using that same logic. Before that it was Catholics.

    Frustrating to see us repeating that mistake yet again.



     
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    That's exactly what your quote of Trump is saying. "Trump is calling for a 'total' and 'complete shutdown' of 'Muslims', (meaning all), from entering the U.S." For your information "shutdown" and "banned" can mean the same thing. A ban can be permanent or temporary, as a "shutdown".

    And your point of this thread is?
     
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    Trump Apologist logic- "Yes, he said he'd totally shutdown ALL Muslim immigration....but he never said he'd stop ALL Muslims from being able to immigrate."

    It's like saying "I'm going to only serve you apple pies....but I never said I'd only give you pies made with apples."

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    Notice how fast he contradicts his own spin?

    While trying to claim "Trump never said he'd ban ALL Muslims, just the dangerous ones"....

    then minutes later, he's claiming that ALL Muslims are dangerous.
     
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    And the same thing concerning Blacks since their "mafia" is making them vote one way regardless of anything. And their 'masters' are Sharptons, Jacksons, KKK Democrats, limousine Liberals, black Hollywood who milk them for their votes.
    (American blacks are waking up however from what I see. And I like that).

    Italians revolted against their own Mafia and because of it they became very much respected by other groups and are one of the equals.
    Irish, the same thing.
    The Latinos took a step back, but are waking up once again.

    If the Muslims are quiet against their own 'mafia' they will always be despised not because of who they are, but because of their 'masters'.

    Unless you revolt against your own "mafia" that controls you, you will ALWAYS be on the bottom of the totem poll.
     
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    Two quick questions.

    Was Trump calling for a ban or extreme vetting for immigrants only or for any Muslim visitor? Any ISIS "visitor" could easily get "lost" in the US and then show up for a terrorist event. "ISIS" members could easily slip in from Canada. I don't think that extreme vetting will truly protect us from a determined enemy. I wish it could.

    Does Mr Trump think that we should ban the mayor of London? I think he is Muslim, so he might be dangerous.
     

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