POLL: Ban the Burqa?

The Burqa is an evil Islamic method of oppressing females.

We must not allow the USA to become infected by Burqas since they can be used to hide bombs.

We need to liberate Islamic females from their oppressive men. Our churches must be made to invite their conversion away from islam to the Truth, Christianity.

 

Women have the right to wear whatever they want to wear. You can't make clothing illegal. If you could we should make the ski mask illegal, or the hoodie, or falsies.

 

ski masks aren't symbols of misogyny...

yes, you can argue that people should be allowed to wear whatever they want. But I look at it like this: What reason could one possibly have for wanting to wear a burqa? I see only two possibilities: 1) you are forced to wear it by your family, in which case we should ban it or 2) you wear it because you hold backwards and inferior values, in which case we should also ban it because we shouldn't accomodate backwards and inferior values.

basically, the only reason anyone would voluntarily want to wear a burqa is if they are stupid. and I am not a big fan of "the right to be stupid". Therefore, I am in favour of a burqa ban. It is a very ugly sight, it is symbolic of barbarism, backwardness, and misogyny. It has no place in civilized society. Wear it in afghanistan but not here.

 

we allow the Christian kkk outfits, why not the Muslims Burqas

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stupid poll, I voted No, but the rest of your no option was uncalled for, i support religious freedom... even of those whose religions I disagree with

 

religious reasons, same reason Christian nuns wear similar religious outfits....

 

Well thats the point. In a lot of places you are asked to take off your helment, hoodie or ski mask. You can't have one rule for one group and a completely dufferent rule for another.

To preserve equality, we must ban the burker.

 

I have no problem with a business saying you have to take off anything covering your face or you can't come in.... that is a far cry from outlawing them though

if your religion forbids it, then go somewhere else... your choice, same with a ski mask or a kkk outfit

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I don't think nuns are comparable.

there is exactly 0% risk that nuns are in any way pressured to dress like they do. there is no pressure at all in western society for women to become nuns or dress like them. But we know many muslim women are forced to wear muslim garb.

and what does it symbolise? muslim female garb obviously symbolise islam. How does islam treat women? As inferior of course, their testimony being worth less than a man's, and other things. a misogynist religion. But nuns are women who voluntarily joined. The difference is that hijab sends the message: This is how women are supposed to be, this is their place in islam. Wheras nuns' dress sends the message: this is how some women voluntarily chose to live. christianity doesn't have any such dress code for normal women.. only for the few women who choose to become nuns. it's very different. nuns choose to be "modest", muslim women are obliged.

 

no one is forced to wear a burka in the USA, anymore then anyone is forced to where a cross or believe in a God, ect.... parents may require it, but if they do it by physical force of abuse, they go to jail

 

Russian Orthodox women

 

Nuns? Muslimas??


Why is that the right wing bigots never concern themselves with Orthodox Jewish women?
















oppression? second class?? should these outer wraps be banned??

 

This liberal has long been astounded that anyone feels a government should be telling women what their clothing choices symbolize, or that the government is obliged to 'protect' any citizen of an age to consent, by disallowing their expressions of cultural or religious individuality.

If a woman wants to celebrate cultural modesty through their clothing choice, who the hell is any remotely democratic government to tell them 'no'. That is the height of faux feminism.

Its really about anti-Muslim stereotyping and bullying. What these decisions or traditions may say about Yemeni Muslim culture, or Saudi Muslim culture may be meaningless in American-Muslim or French-Muslim or British- Muslim culture . Muslim Women get to interpret what it may mean for them. Women of all cultures and religions can figure out how to dress themselves without anyone else telling them how. They can pick out the colors, the fabric, the style and measure the importance of functionality or cultural significance without outside help.

it is even more astounding that conservatives who historically like decry a busy-body government in everyone's life and personal decisions, would ever condone this. It has to be bigotry, because there is no other rationale

 

hahaha!!!

these are Purim costumes, not daily attire

 

You really think that young girls were not forced into being nuns, I suggest you take a look at the quite recent history of Ireland, say from the 1950,s. Exactly what was done in that country as a Catholic Theocracy was deeply troubling. Do not assume that strict Christian teachings do not subjugate and exploit women anyless than some Muslim teachings, or I expect any other religion.

 

Because the purpose of the burqa isn't really religious. It's purpose is to prevent men from being tempted by the evil of women, and is therefore the ultimate form of misogyny.

It is basically a way of saying women are evil temptresses, and men cannot control themselves (and really shouldn't be expected to) or what they do to a woman who isn't covered.

A nun's habit has none of these connotations.

 

Why don't Muslim men wear them?

 

You are free to discuss this with any Muslim of either gender. Heck you are free to lobby for your 'interpretation' of another's religious or cultural custom all you want. You can beg or plead or argue to your hearts content. Its a bit patronizing, and you will end up acting like a prick, but go for it. Leave government out of the business of enforcing a uniform policy you like or trust and forcing her to discard what you don't like based on your interpretation of her cultural tradition.

This 'issue' comes stamped 'Mind your own damn business' if ever I saw one.

 

Should we stay out of their other cultural traditions of treating them as property too?

You can put lipstick on the pig all day, but the bottom line is that women are property in the islamic world.

Why do Islamic women need to cover themselves? Let's look at what an imam has to say on the subject.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k-hilalis-speech/story-e6frg6nf-1111112425808

Apparently in the Muslim world women really are a piece of meat.

 

so you want them to become the property of the state, the municipality or the country? Stop applying your stereotype to Muslim women. Let's let the woman who actually wears the clothing in this counry, decide what it means to her here in this country, not some Iman in Australia. She is plenty capable of deciding what she wants to wear, when and why. That is what the age of majority and consent presumes with every other adult in this country.

Its not your lipstick or your pig. Butt out.

 

Yeah they can vote on it.

Oh wait they can't do that either.

 

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None of those cartoon outfits is a buraqa. This is a burqa; Yes....ban it.

 

1) they can in France, in Italy, Spain, Britain, Germany, Canada, Mexico, Ireland and here and here is what we control with our vote. 2) we do not vote on your clothing choices as a matter of public policy.

None of our business.

 

The purpose of the burqua is to hide a woman so that she doesn't tempt men. It's entire reason for existence is misogynistic.

If you think they have a choice in their culture, their religion, or their households you're fooling yourself and promulgating women being treated as property.

Why should we ban it? The same reason we ban polygamy and child brides in various religions.

 

If she doesn't want to 'tempt a man' with her face so she covers it up, that is her business. She gets to be modest in public if that is her desire. Its not up to you to tell her just how much modesty is acceptable for her life. The purpose of the burka is defined by its wearer, not you. the reason a woman wears it, is decided by the wearer not you. Whether it is misgynistic in none of your business unless you are forced to wear it. Stop pretending you are some expert in what a Muslim woman in this culture does or wears or why. Its not your place to tell anyone what they should or should not wear. Its clothing, not a marriage contract with the state as a third party signator, and the state has no compelling reason to say a woman has to keep her face uncovered, because it thinks someone else might have told her she should. Its ludicrous.

Stop being a big Brother Government advocate, just to harass a group of women with a faith you dislike.

 

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It's fairly obvious many of the pc democrats don't get the concept of liberty and the US constitution. Liberty, which is the freedom to do as one pleases, is balanced by any "potential harm" such an expansion may cause. It is already an established fact that people have abused the burqa as a mean to hide their identity and motives in the commission of a crime.It is therefore prudent and rational to eliminate such a possible threat by banning it whenever and wherever people chose to ban it.