Parapsychology and whether or not LGBT community were born that way?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by DennisTate, Aug 29, 2016.

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Could your spirit / soul have been of another sex in a past life?

  1. No... this is silly pseudoscience!

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  2. Yes.... this would help to explain a lot of things.

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  3. Maybe..... I can't really rule this out dogmatically.

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  4. No.... this is a false doctrine / dogma / understanding of the research.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have been researching parapsychology and near death experience accounts
    rather obsessively since 1990.

    My belief at this time is that there are some huge studies that have been done
    by psychologists and psychiatrists that strongly indicate ........ that your assertion that you.....
    "were born that way" is correct!


    This research is not only of value to the LGBT community but, in my opinion,
    could also play a huge role in bringing a greater level of understanding between
    all racial groups.




    http://www.politicalforum.com/race-...head-past-life-regression-under-hypnosis.html

    What is that white guy doin in my head? (Past life regression under hypnosis).

    I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books back in the '90's and I am convinced that they have the potential to transform race relations.

    Well over sixty percent of Dr. Wambach's volunteers were women.... but almost exactly fifty percent of past lives viewed/ perceived.....were of men!

    White people see themselves as Black and Japanese and Chinese and Aboriginal in past lives. Roughly ninety percent of past lives viewed would be described as "poor" which is almost certainly not what would happen if people were simply remembering scenes from movies that they viewed as a child or teenager.

    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html


    DR. HELEN WAMBACH AND REINCARNATION

     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Parapsychology is not scientific. So no I wouldn't trust it
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Trust" is a relative rather than absolute term.....
    if you read a significant percentage of the following page your level of 'trust" in there being
    at least something to all this will probably increase by at least one percent.........
    but I suspect by far more than that.

    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/research/ian-stevenson.html

    Dr. Ian Stevenson's Reincarnation Research
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I studied that enough to know it's woo.
     
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    It has woo ? can I have some ???
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No it is woo. Undefined sciency sounding nonsense.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To my thinking.... it is actually quite impressive that near death experiencers are
    coming back from their out of the body experience with reports that correspond so
    well with Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s massive studies on what people report if
    regressed in time in hypnotic trance.


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

    Chapter 5 - Questions and Answers,
    .....
    .......
     
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    Are you sure it is not Swagger ?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have to admit......
    that I do often smile when I read replies by
    obviously intelligent people who clearly are scared of
    the rather obvious implications of what they seem to suspect may well
    have happened long long before the latest Big Bang event!

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    I've seen more real scientific data on alien abduction than in this thread.

    You are asking sane people to believe nature produced a human that has the ability to procreate with out the sexual drive to do so. You are asking sane people to believe the biological role of the tongue finger and anus are now magically sexual organs without a shred of scientific data to prove it.
     
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    Well there is a ton of empiricism that suggests that a tongue finger and anus can stimulate sexual arousal. Have you ever masturbated or had oral sex?
     
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    I can do it with plastic as well. That doesn't make it natural either.
     
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    What difference does it make if it's natural?
     
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    When you try to equate it to race and gender civil rights efforts. Like they did in court.
     
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    It is a civil rights issue. Nature has (*)(*)(*)(*) to do with that.
     
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    Of course it does. You can't paint something a civil right and blindly try to attach your cause to race and sex to bypass any scrutiny before forcing your fascism on the public who in many cases does not agree with you.

    If that were true why wouldn't we call every sexual preference a civil right? I'd love to see the answer to this beyond your personal opinion.
     
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    No it doesn't. Civil rights are rights for ordinary citizens.

    I wasn't talking about "sexual preference." I was referring to the appeal to nature you made.

    A firearm isn't natural but it's still my right to own one. Marijuana is natural but I don't have the right to possess it.

    See nature plays no role in what is a right and what isn't a right.
     
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    Who have a legitimate argument. You have yet to make one.

    No its the argument the LGBT movement makes. "Born this way" Seen those signs?

    Covered by the second amendment. Now you are getting why I like amendments.

    Marijuana isn't a civil right and it has been made legal through legislation in certain states.

    Then you cannot attach yourself to the existing civil rights movement if you cannot justify why only homosexuality apart from all other sexual preferences deserves to bypass the amendment process and attach itself to race and sex law.

    You keep dodging this reality because you know you can't justify it.
     
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    You have to have a legitimate argument to have rights? Where does it say that in the constitution?
    It doesn't make a difference. They are entitled to rights by virtue of being a citizen. Whether they ate born that way or not is irrelevant.
    Including the 14th amendment and how the court said it applies to state privileges?
    This isn't really relevant.
    There is only one other sexual preference being that there is only two sexes. I believe it was in 1964 that hetersexual couples that were interracial were granted the civil right to get married. So sexual preference was already a precadence.

    Further, a state must prove their interest in banning something if they wish to win in the Supreme Court.
     
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    People like you hate differences, so in order to disenfranchise Gays, you reduce them to sexuality by claiming that is is not normal etc....

    The Law protects people from discrimination based on or against their sexuality, LGBT, protecting individuals that are free to be whatever they are, and free from discrimination because of what they are, the protection is not of sexuality, it is the protection of that person's civil Rights as an individual.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I strongly suspect that the reformation in spirituality that near death experiencer Mellen Benedict was shown
    involves the issues discussed in this topic.


    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

     
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    Remember the three Blind Men describing an Elephant, one is describing the trunk, another a foot, another the tail, all think they describe the whole.

    Man's ideas and concepts of G-d are so far and Divorced from reality, Man has no concept of Mercy and Love or Forgiveness that truly define G-d in relation to mankind.
     
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    My emphasis...
    ob·ses·sion
    əbˈseSHən/Submit
    noun
    the state of being obsessed with someone or something.

    "she cared for him with a devotion bordering on obsession"
    an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.
    plural noun: obsessions
    "he was in the grip of an obsession he was powerless to resist"

    synonyms: fixation, ruling/consuming passion, passion, mania

    You said it, now think about it.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that near death experience accounts and parapsychology will play an important part in
    ushering in a vastly better and more peaceful world.

    I would like to think that I am not wasting my own time or anybody else's who reads what
    I have found out so far.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    True.....
    the majority of near death experiencers were blown away by their
    adventure into higher dimensions of space - time and many state that
    the English language does not have words to describe all that they saw, heard and felt.
     

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