Why the term "holocaust denier" is meaningless; and why so many still don't get it.

Since my position regarding the plight of the Jews during WWII are forever misrepresented on this board, let me be clear. IT WAS TERRIBLE! IT WAS HORRIFIC... pretty much INCOMPREHENSIBLE! The suffering... UNIMAGINABLE.

The very fact that Jews were rounded up because they were Jews is UNTHINKABLE. Like the gays for being gay, likewise for gypsies, etc..

I hope we are clear.

For anyone who does not know the background on Lipstadt and Irving, please google them. And please watch this 3 minute trailer for what they are hoping is their new Hollywood blockbuster, Denial, before responding to this thread.

[video=youtube;hYcx43AmAyY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcx43AmAyY[/video]

Did everyone catch that? A perfect example of the lies Hollywood has bombarded us with since they brought us the story of the Jewish plight at the hands of the nazis.

Let me be clear. When David Irving popped out that crowd that day, unbeknownst to Lipstadt (and who she had been insulting during this speech), he did not offer $1000 that "proves the holocaust" like the scene in the trailer portrays. It never happened.

He offered her $1000 to produce the blueprints to the gas chambers that she had just told her audience that she knew of.

$1000 dollars for the blueprints. That was all.

I can hardly wait to see this thing. I will be counting the lies and encourage everyone on this board to do the same.

Millions are going to see this. They are going to see lies on top of lies... on top of lies.

 

There is no doubt the Holocaust happened, we have video and photo evidence and thousands of eyewitness testimony, and the Nazis were very meticulous in record keeping. Basically there are tens of thousands of recorded events which would be impossible to fake. People like Irving focus on one single event to try and prove that the Holocaust did not happen while overlooking all the other proof. I have personally tracked a jewish person through Nazi records to connect with their family so it did happen.

Did six million die in gas chambers? Probably not but does that mean they did not suffer as a group?

Of course not. Slavs, Poles, gays, Gypsies......the handicapped, were also victims, very well documented.

 

In the actual case he stated she lied when she wrote her book and called him a Holocaust Denier and sued her for libel. She proved in court the Holocaust occurred and that he denied it which exonerated her. Subsequently he appealed, lost and then went bankrupt because of having to pay her. She donated the money won (150L to charity.)

 

Adolf Eichmann, one of the head Nazis, admitted to the gas chambers, the Hitler extermination order, the murder of millions of Jews, the death squads, several years before he was captured by the Israelis, in an interview he gave freely to a former Nazi reporter.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=463948&p=1066371729&highlight=eichmann#post1066371729

 

The Holocaust is one of the most well documented events in human history, by the very people enacting it no less.

 

800,000 Jews shipped to Treblinka.

no record of them being shipped out.

where did they go? Long Island?

Mars?

 

Mars man,Mars.

It's really a tragedy.

 

Well you can argue the numbers and that's what people like Irvine do to try and disprove the Holocaust. Its doubtful 800k died in Treblinka but the number was certainly high. We have video of it, we have thousands of letters from Nazis themselves who were there, we have Jewish survivors, so to say it didn't happen is ridiculous.

 

PLEASE, seriously now, post the videos of Jews being gassed at Treblinka. This would solve one of the giant problems of the official story. I will bet $1000 that you can't and another K that they don't exist.

 

around 3 million Jews missing from Poland.

800,000 Jews sent to Treblinka from central Europe in Operation Rheinhard.

1 million Jews missing from Ukraine.

that's 4.8 million missing Jews.

where did they go?

Valhalla?

 

They couldn't actually videotape the gassing because technology at that time required an actual person to run a camera. They could not be in the actual chamber.

 

Well, I'm not going to bother watching it as the Holocaust Industry is already well-fed. Some 95 billion dollars, not including the movies & books.

If Hollywood were to make even ONE, that's ONE film on the Holodomor, or Mao's Great Leap Forward genocide, then I would invest the time and funds to see it.

 

The Holocaust happened.

ALL JEWS know this

 

Actually everyone should know this. The Jewish Ghetto's, and Polish, the video of people lined up and shot, the records of Nazi doctors from experimentation....the holocause involes much more than just gas chambers.

 

So what do you have on video? Please post it.

 

Sure. Soon as you post Hitler on tape saying he didn't persecute or exterminate Jews.

 

There is so much out there, what are you looking for exactly that you can't youtube yourself?

 

Were most of gas chambers above ground or below ground in most of the death camps? Modern gas chambers used in executions are very well sealed and use an elaborate evacuation system to suck out the deadly gas so the body can be safely removed. Did the Nazis do this before they opened the doors to retrieve the bodies? Because if they didn't, then the Zyclon B gasses would have drifted into the camp killing the guards and everyone.

Don't forget about the giant burning trenches that were so often used. Here is an actual eyewitness report:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/stories/Pelt_sources/Buchenwald_Report_extract.html

And people don't lie, well maybe except OJ Simpson and Hillary.

It's just too bad about science getting in the way of the story.
https://holocausthistorychannel.wor...on-from-burning-cremation-pyres-at-auschwitz/

 

For you to simply verify your claim...

 

We have video of the constructions of the camps, we can tour them today, we have video of their liberations and of the prisoners being held there. We have thousands and thousands of documents from Nazis working in them about what was going on, their orders, their jobs, how they felt.

To make all that up would be impossible.

And as I said, the gas chambers were only a small part of the Holocaust which you yourself admitted happened in your OP.

 

Ok, then, there were, nor are, any video evidence of gas chambers at Treblinka. But there is plenty of evidence that the camps existed. I agree.

 

No evidence Abe Lincoln was assassinated save records. Lots of records of that but not even close to the amount of records and proof six million Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany.

Do you believe Lincoln was assassinated? If so then how can you if there is no video of it?

 

Correct but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We also have no videos of Gitmo torture but we know it happened from supporting evidence.

People like Irving say that unless we have it on camera it didn't happen and that is just idiotic.

 

I know, spook. I was just clarifying that your statement pertaining to videos at Treblinka was false.

Not a big deal.

Does anyone care to discuss the giant lie in the trailer that was posted in the OP?

 

Her supposed lie was proved in court.

So what lie are you talking about?