There's a way to see how Trump's Nomination has cost the GOP--

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/31/u...onald-trumps-nomination-has-cost-the-gop.html


Generic ballot.....this covers Presidential, Congressional, Governor's races, etc. Just the general expression of people as to which party they would vote for--




It began to collapse "coincidentally"...at the same time it became obvious Trump was going to be the GOP Nominee.

No Trumpster or any Rightwinger can spin this. They can do their usual routine of dodge, deflection, attempt at subject change....but the facts remain-

Trump is HURTING the Republican Party.

 

Conservatives hate the current republican party. A bloodletting is fine with us if we can take the office. Losing both is sort of conservative armaggedon though.

I was curious if all your noise about trump drowned out the sound of Obamacare circling the drain?

Now dont go accusing me of deflection, I just thought it was funny, given your rather obsessive attention to Trump lately. I feel you need to unplug, and start a thread on something else as a breather. I did address your post. Not required to acknowledge the ACA imploding. God knows the media isn't.

 

It's hilarious how you cut it off before Trump even ran. I see the beginning of that graph like everybody else. The Republican party has always been behind in that survey. The only reason they got on top was Trump in the first place.
Now it's beginning to rise again. How are you going to spin that when it crosses back over again?
I see no dates in your made up graph either.

 

1. Who are the "conservatives"? Republicans FOR Trump....or Republicans OPPOSED to Trump?

2. Why am I "obsessed with Trump"....but we get a dozen anti-Hillary OPs on Current Events and those "aren't obsessed with Clinton"???

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I didn't cut it off.....I posted the entire photo.

And explain what IS visible...why did the generic ballot for Republicans start to collapse "coincidentally" as Trump began to lock up the Nomination???

 

The only republicans against trump are establishmentarianists. Clinton is the embodyment of the establishment and all that is wrong with both parties. Trump, bafoon that he is, is fresh blood who supports actual conservatism, vs GOP rhetoric. He ISNT a politician. We like that.

 

The press has always tried to make the republican out to be some kind of boogie man. It started before Trump and it will continue after Trump. I'll bet a similar graph would apply to the early run of Ronald Reagan.

And the beginning of your silly graph still shows that Republicans were behind before Trump even looked close.
And that we rose during the primary campaign.

 

It's not about "Republicans behind Trump"...it's a poll of ALL voters and their view of the Parties....a generic ballot poll.

And the lines clearly show that the GOP had a lead in generic ballot back in late winter/early Spring...that slowly collapsed as it became more and more apparent that Trump would be the nominee.


But forget it, NOTHING will convince you until Election Night....and then? You'll start screaming "voter fraud"


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So Glenn Beck is "establishmentarian"? Mark Levin is "establishmentarian"?

 

I never did understand the appeal of specifically choosing someone inexperienced, and then treating that as being a positive quality. He's a moderately successful businessman who had more start up funding than a dead man has debtors, and who fudged over anyone involved in his numerous bankruptcies as he made out like a king. He's never made a poor policy decision that people can critique because he's never actually made any governmental decisions. It's like asking someone who has never cooked a meal to bake your lasagna, because they've never burnt the sauce. You choose people for a job based on their qualifications in the involved field, and Trump has literally none. I'd rather an incompetent and mildly corrupt politician than someone who has never so much had an entry level position into the legislative, executive, or judicial branch.

Also, I think you just made up an entirely new word there, so kudos to you.

 

That's a 4% lead for Dem, closed from what looks like 9% or so in the last month. It's not that telling :-\

 

I never did see why people were so fond of Ronald Reagan. He was, by many measures, more corrupt than Nixon, and he added one cabinet when he promised to cut two. Life under his office was a bit of a dissapointment, and I've never seen why Republicans idealize him so. He had plenty of ideals that they agreed with, but he never got anything done, and the size of the government actually increased while he was in office.

Also, I do find it baffling that some Trump supporters are so smug right now. 'Look' they say. 'Our candidate is losing slightly less than before".

 

Learn to comprehend what the hell you're reading. I said the republicans were behind. BEFORE the primaries began. not "Republicans behind Trump".
Your own graph shows the democrats leading at it's start. Get a clue.

 

Reagan wasn't corrupt. That's your attempt at character assassination to make the eternal try at "they all do it".
Reagan never had a republican Majority in either the House or Senate so his slowing the growth of government was a major accomplishment.
If you think engineering the fall of the Soviet Union wasn't a major accomplishment you need a mental exam.

I can see right through all of your Alinsky method attempts to obfuscate the issues. I read your friggin playbook.

 

Its a word. As is antidisestablishmentarianism. The founders of this nation were not experienced politicians. The system was designed that the government was run by the people. You came to Washington to perform your public duty, and return to life when your tenure was done. An outsider in the top office would be good for the country. He is not corrupted, though like any holds the risk of being corrupted. The status quo isn't working. I say we fire everyone.

 

No, they are libertarians. We go a couple different ways.

 

Mildly corrupt? On what planet?
By your logic you'd hire a doctor who had a ton of malpractice suits.
Good luck with that.

 

I am an excellent example of how Trump has hurt the Party....he was the straw that made me leave it.

 

And by your logic you would hire a landscaper to do your heart surgery.

 

This is based on the Huffington Post poll which is an aggregate of many polls, and we already know that many of those polls have oversampled Democrats by at least 6 to 8 points, which makes Clinton's 4.7 lead actually a 2 to 3 point deficit.

 

No. A veterinarian over a bad doctor.
The very idea that you need specific qualifications to be President is ludicrous.
It's the biggest lie the left touts.

 

No, YOU learn to comprehend what you're reading. This is NOT a poll of Republicans or Democrats....it's a poll of everybody. And the GOP started losing the generic ballot, just as Trump started locking up the Nomination.

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Now, you're changing your claim. You said---

The only republicans against trump are establishmentarianists"--- Originally Posted by Ctrl

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No, the source is "YouGov".....says so right there in the article.

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Odd, in 2008, you guys were CITING "experience" when it came to McCain over Obama???

 

Oh bullcrap.

 

If your candidate's in range(and this is "in range" for Trump), that's better than losing the polls outright in much larger numbers. It also suggests that Trump has a pull, meanwhile Hillary is now at 60% disapproval.

That means more than 2/3rds of the country cannot stand her. This is who the Democrats chose to be President.

 

I didn't say it wasn't a poll of everybody. I said that the democrats were ahead in the graph before the primaries began.
You need to take a reading comprehension course.
Why does it delineate between democrats and republicans in your graph?
Because it's comparing support between the two.

I wasn't citing experience. I was citing Obama's obvious socialist bent. McCain was simply the horse I had to ride. I don't wait for a magical unicorn to come. I ride the horse I have.

 

If you actually believe that I do not think you should vote.

 

And...people like you added quite a bit of straw before he did.

Now is when you say I was never a Republican but a stupid RINO and tell me I should become a *******.

THAT is why the Party is dying.