Should Blacks Be Given Their Own Country Inside the US?

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  1. Brewskier

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    This is not a flamebait thread, and I want a real discussion to take place. Any trolling posts by the usual suspects will be reported to moderators.

    #BLM murdering police officers, posting death threats and calls for racial genocide against whites on social media. Referring to the flag of the US as a symbol of oppression. Hatred of the Founding Fathers of the country. Calling the Constitution a racist document. What's the end game? I don't think these rifts can ever be bridged. Too much bad history that they clearly have no intention of letting go of. Even if they took over the country, they'd still view its foundation as flawed.

    What if part of the US was ceded to the black population? This would be a completely new country, without a history. A fresh start. They can create whatever laws they wanted, and would have total control of it. Would this be a solution to the problems we are seeing?

    How many blacks would leave the US to live there? What if the current social programs we have would be carried over to them, at least temporarily? What other considerations would have to be made?
     
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    We tried it already. The country was Liberia. The first thing the freed American slaves did was to enslave the local population. Liberia was one of the last countries in the world to eliminate slavery.
     
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    This country accommodated the native tribes that way. And tribes with casinos finally can get a living decent form of life off that cash. Who has land they want turned over?
     
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    Ironic. For some reason, the topic of blacks participating in the slave trade hardly ever comes up.
     
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    Hint: Liberia. I'd devote 500 million dollars to cleaning up the entirety of Liberia, first-class rate education and everything else. Fix Liberia up and everyone who hates the US can go there and have the same rights they enjoy now, without evil Whitey or evil Americans.
     
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    Brewskier, why not force white people onto reservations instead for once?
     
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    I just don't see American blacks moving back to Africa in any large number. We would have to have something here in the US. Maybe take the land mass of 2 states, or equivalent of Federal land, and build it up into a nation.
     
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    I don't see white people rebelling against the country itself and its history like blacks are. Plus whites are the majority, it would make sense for the disenfranchised minority group to be relocated.

    But why wouldn't this idea be good? Doesn't it seem like many blacks are very unhappy with life in America, with its history, with its founders, with its Constitution and laws, and might be better off with a fresh start?
     
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    Most Blacks here in the US can never, ever get over the Jim Crow/slavery thing. It is both an excuse, and a meal ticket.

    This experiment has already been done in Haiti. And the results have not been pretty over the last 200 years of Black Power. One can expect little in the way of rule of law or basic civilization.

    If you must have a place to live in here in the USA, there is also the failed Soul City in North Carolina. It is a ghost town with lots of lots for sale.
     
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    Native Americans were in the majority at one point. White had no problem forcing them onto reservations.

    Whites are the only group in history that have ever actually rebelled en masse against the country and there are still groups loyal to and admiring those rebels today.
     
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    Well, you want my honest opinion? Dividing the country into White/Black blocs is just going to exaggerate the problem even further. Put it into crude terms, I don't see the Blacks "being happy" with their country, especially if the mainland United States is more prosperous by default. What'd you see is even more cries of racism and even "attacks" from the now-ran Black country.

    It'd be a Israeli/Palestine situation, right here in the US Borders! We really are at a point where either it's inclusion or the whole thing blows up in our face. Thank you Democrats.
     
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    Maybe continue the welfare programs for them for the next 10-15 years? Just to give them a head start? Surely by then, since white oppression is no longer around, they will have created many businesses that could employ people, and they could institute their own welfare programs to take care of the poor.
     
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    If whites had their own country, who would pay for their welfare given that there are more whites on welfare than blacks?
     
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    Knowing the OP to be a "White Nationalist" (the PC term for White Supremacist), I'm sure the land he would want the blacks to have would be as worthless and unforgiving as was given to Native Americans.

    Either a malaria infested swamp or empty tundra.

    Then when they failed to prosper, he'd say "Look, I told you they were inferior. They can't survive without the white man." a the while living in a place full of natural resources and temperate weather.
     
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    There was no established country here with the Native Americans. This would be different.


    True, and maybe it would have been better if they were allowed to form their own country. But nowadays, the ones who seem to be rebelling the most are blacks, who are calling for segregated housing in universities, who are protesting the American flag, who are at war with police officers, etc.

    Why wouldn't you support the idea of them having their own place here in the US, where they can self-govern? For a self-described libertarian, you sure are taking the side of big statist, authoritarian Government. Why is that?
     
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    I think giving them Alabama and Mississippi would be a very solid start. They wouldn't even need a military, and the land in that region is very productive. They'd have access to good ports and, most importantly, access to one of the largest consumer markets in the world (the U.S.). They would have big trade advantages over other countries, speak the same language, and stand to gain quite a bit from the relationship. We could start them off with 1 trillion dollars, or 100 billion a year for ten years, to get them started.

    Of course, it will never happen no matter how many carrots are attached, but it is a fun thought. They probably think we are trying to trick them and hurt them in some way.
     
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    A logical option based upon the concepts inherent in our country and reality would be to simply offer them free passage to the country of their choice and immediate removal from all United States records. In this way they get what they wish for and the only cost to the U.S is transport. Those who do not wish to leave will have nothing to biatch about and are free to keep killing each other.
     
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    But if they were completely in control of their own country, how could they continue to blame the US for their problems? I think the US would have to give quite a bit to help get them off the ground, but after that, who would they be blaming?
     
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    Because their grievances are legitimate. I'd rather see injustice removed from our government than kick out the people protesting the injustice.
     
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    Only true because whites outnumber blacks 5 to 1.

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    Not at all, we could give them a very resource rich environment, where they would be allowed to self-govern. What are you afraid of? Are you afraid they couldn't make it on their own?
     
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    Now here come the qualifiers.

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    So you would be willing to force white people off valuable land in America to give it to blacks?
     
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    Those are good ideas, and it would make sense, considering most blacks are located in the South. Mississippi has the highest black population percentage in the country.
     
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    According to PF rules, I am allowed to comment on the content of the post, if I don't reference the poster themselves.

    So....

    the idea of "blacks being given their own country" raised in the OP is based on white separatism (reversed to "put the blacks on a reservation"), which is simply an off shoot of the same neo-Nazi/Aryan Nation stuff seen for decades.
     
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    I don't think they hate the US enough to move to Africa. That option has been available to them since the beginning. We're talking about establishing a country within the US. Colin Kapernick could even still work for the NFL and make his millions, but he wouldn't have to live in the oppressive country that he is currently protesting.
     
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    Also some of the highest white supremacist numbers in America.

    Would you support forcing all those good conservative white folks out their homes Brewskier to give the land to blacks
     

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