Things Will Now Heat Up -Lavrov Says Ceasefires Were Bogus

Russia, as well as me and everyone else knew the peace talks and the so called 'moderates' were bogus, and were allowing the US backed terrorist groups to rearm and regroup. What Russia needed though as proof of Washington's ill intent, was the joint attack by the US and ISIS on the Syrian army.

To add insult to injury, Washington made a feeble attempt to distract by attacking an aid convoy and killing 20 people, and then putting the blame on Russia... Evidence is starting to show that the attack was either from Al Nusra or from an incendiary device by the American drone in the area.

Lavrov presented evidence to the Security Council that the groups which signed on to the peace agreement... as well as Washington's so called 'moderates' are not real and are operating under Al Nusra. These calls by Kerry not to attack Al Nusra because of the moderates were all a bunch of garbage. In the meantime the aid convoys were used to smuggle in supplies for the terrorists to use to repair their weapons, and whatever medicine and first aid sent in for the civilians was confiscated by them for their own use.

Lavrov also said that the joint attack with ISIS at Deir ez Zor lasted for over an hour and Washington ignored the calls from Russia as per their hot line agreement. When Russia called a Security Council meeting, instead of an apology for the lives lost Samantha Powers came out with one false accusation after another, and with a callousness that is unheard of in diplomatic circles.

The US has been unable to reign in a number of groups signing onto previous ceasefires, let alone those groups the US claims to be moderates but did not sign onto the ceasefire, both of which continue to work closely with either ISIS or Jabat Al-Nusra. Russia has no doubt pointed out successfully that several of these groups are fictional entities, and are but operational synonyms of Al-Nusra (formerly called Al-Qaeda of the Levant), itself.

The impossible to ignore context here naturally is the ceasefire ending US joint attack alongside ISIS upon the Syrian Arab Army position at Deir ez-Zor which was sustained and lasted over an hour, despite calls from the Russian coordinating hotline which existed pursuant to standing agreements on deconfliction.

The other defining circumstances included the response of the US State Department at the emergency session of the UN Security Council a few nights ago, in particular the behaviour and callously undiplomatic remarks of representative Power, and the US's following attempts to blame Russia for the attack on the Red Crescent aid convoy several days later, which increasingly appears as the result of either Al-Nusra militants on the ground or a US predator drone attack using an incendiary device.

It had been noted, at times passionately, that the ceasefires were observed unilaterally by Russia and had the effect of allowing the US backed terrorist groups, whether organized under the 'moderate' banner or not, to rearm and regroup. Aid convoys had long been used as a backdoor to smuggle in needed dual-use basic supplies for repairing weapons, such as nuts, bolts, wiring - and even munitions and new weapons. It had long been documented that first aid and medicines intended for affected civilian populations generally wound up used by terrorist fighting groups inside of occupied parts of Aleppo.​

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/lavrov-makes-history-ceasefires-were.html

 

Since the US 'owns' the skies, as it has stated so often, then where are the satellite photos of the Russian planes? Oh I guess it's another case of:

TRUST ME, I NEVER LIE!
....That's funny!

 

Let's see Jeanettova...
That's 3 string starts on this page:
fort-russ.com
Sputnik.com
rt.com (RussiaToday)

ALL Russian Government Propaganda arms.
100% Garbagov.

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why did Russia and Syria bomb the UN aid convoy bringing food & medical supplies to desperate people in Aleppo?

 

I have news for you, presenting the truth is not propaganda. So let me ask you something, where do you think I should get the news... from the MSM? They're okay if I didn't have a mind of my own and wanted to form my own opinion, rather than the opinion given me by Washington. The reality is they do not present the facts and the full event, only their conclusion of what happened. Big difference!

 

Russian govt. propaganda is GARBAGE

its funded and controlled by Putin.

its like posting news from Voice of America

 

Presenting truths as lies, and lies as truth doesn't hinder wars, but rather the opposite. Think about it because what happens next will be on your shoulders.

 

Probably for the same reason US planes bombed a hospital in Kunduz. Wars are messy.

 

All news reports have a slant and represent the bias, if not outright propaganda, of not only the media organization that publishes the report, and not just the reporter filing that report, but also the "source" or "sources" which feed into the report that is made. This applies equally to reports from the so-called mainstream press in the West, as it does to reports from Russian media or reports from Iranian media.

Obviously, if I wanted to understand what is going on in any conflict, I would like to hear all the different sides and angles to the story and come up with my conclusion on the issue. For instance, if there is a report that relates to the events in Syria, I like to hear from all sides and angles and, in the process, not only judge which of the presentations appear more credible, but also get some insights into the "talking points" which each side is trying to emphasize.

With respect to the events in Syria, having gone through the process I mention, my own view is that on the larger, fundamental points at issue, the Western media generally does a better job misinforming its readers of what is actually at stake and why this civil war is being waged than those who are pursuing the opposite agenda. On this point, here is actually an obvious clue: which side in the conflict is more resistant to having any issue to be decided by a properly monitored vote or referendum among the Syrian people? For instance, an issue that has caused great impasse between the US and other states trying to oust Assad and those supporting him is whether Assad should be able to stand in future Syrian elections. Why not agree to have that issue itself submitted to a simple referendum monitored by the UN, where the people in Syria are asked: "Should President Assad be able to stand as one of the candidates in future elections to be monitored by the UN?" But this proposal will not be acceptable to the anti-Assad states, who have abrogated for themselves the right to decide the issue instead of letting it be decided by the Syrians people themselves.

When it comes to the details regarding various issues, such as who bombed the UN convoy or who bombed the Syrian troops fighting ISIS, and whether the latter action was intentional or not, I have not reached any definitive views. I think the evidence needs to develop further and part of the process of coming to a conclusion is to hear the different sides to the story.

 

Russia has never kept it,s word on any cease fire whether it was signed in Minsk, Pinsk, or even if signed using ancient inks. The breaking of the cease fire is on the head of thecRussian muder ers and the Syruan barbaric Assad regime.

The civilized world knows the truth.

Moscow spouts out only thecRussian Pravda which everyone knows really means The Bolshoi Russian Lie.

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Some bombing such as that hispital are accidents. This convoy bombing was a Russian war crime since it was on purpose.

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At least Voice if America is factual while Russian "Pravda" is the Russian Lie.

 

So instead of "Washington giving you your opinion", you choose MOCKVA.
Of course, MSM is NOT Washington.
Which MSM?
Fox? MSNBC? CNN?
They are "Washington"?

NO Comrade Jeannetova, they, unlike your GOVERNMENT FUNDED sources, do NOT take marching orders, or 100% of their MONEY, from the Govt.

There is NO objective media in Russia. If there was, it would last ONE day.

Your posts are 100% Russian GOVT BS.
I can tell you 'your' positions before you even Copy them from KGB/FSB outlets.
How "independent" is that?
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So tell me why would Russia bomb the convoy when it just left the Syrian government controlled area and was checked for contraband? Also the Syrian government has a very good relationship with the Red Crescent while the militants whose area they has just entered didn't want the aid going to the civilians. If anyone has a motive to do it, it would have been the terrorists.

This is a perfect example of saying something often enough so that people will believe it... and this is why I get sick to my stomach when I read the MSM. The only thing in the air above the convoy was an American drone that left from the American air base in Turkey... and unlike the US which always says 'trust me', Russia handed the proof to the UN. Besides that Russia has a drone video of a heavily armored truck next to the convoy, and there was a major attack by the terrorists a few miles from where it was hit and at exactly the same time.

So the questions now are, was it hit deliberately by the terrorists, or was it an attack by the American drone? Also was it ordered by the US, and was it to distract from Washington's criminal act at Deir ez-Zor when they illegally entered Syria, and killed and maimed 200 Syrian troops in support of ISIS? Russia believes so.

Anyway it's all being investigated now by the UN but it's doubtful the US will change its rhetoric publicly. When the investigative reporter Robert Parry asked an Intelligence Agent why they didn't tell the Americans people the truth about M17, he said that 'propaganda' is all Washington has. In other words lies, lies, and more lies.

 

I am convinced Jeanette is either a Xenophobe of Off the Charts proportion, or a paid Russian Internet Troll.
'She' couldn't even respond to my last at the top of this page OUTing her. There was/is NO answer, Just a post-over to someone else.

I went through the first 6 or 7 pages of this section and found app 20 of 'her' string starts.
90% of those string starts are from 100% STATE-FUNDED Propaganda Arms, RT/RussiaToday, and Sputnik.com.
The other 10% from 2 other of the Same.
This is absurd and blatant Nonsense, relying on naive posters here who will Daily respond to anything without questioning/Realizing the source.

This section is Blighted by the Obsessed anti-Jew SamSkwamch, and/or paid Jeanette.
It ruins true 'Latest News' with sick obsessive micro-topical Agendas/Agendovas.

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What I am convinced is that the ceasefire talks should all the halted, Russia should become entirely focused on helping the Assad forces drive the terrorists out of Aleppo and to liberate that city. Once that is done, the Syrian civil war can find a negotiated settlement.

 

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After the unbelievable criticism from Kerry - and without any proof whatsoever - claiming that Putin and Assad are responsible for the convoy attack, I'm now fully convinced the US is more obsessed with regime change in Syria than countering the global jihad threat. Oh well, as I've said before - que sera sera!

 

Can you tell us what makes you believe that please?

 

You can track funding channels and personal relationships between bureaucrats in DC and reporters, editors, owners of mentioned media. So, yea, mainstream media is under government control, just using different ties instead of obvious direct subordinatiton

 

Spot on. However I doubt that people you kindly pointed in the right direction are capable of comprehending and understanding what's actually going on. It requires a certain level of intelligence.

 

This section of the forum has been dead for a while. Its literally only the trolls who post on this section of the forum anymore, sad, you can definitely see the loss in traffic over the last few years. I generally ignore most of it now. Either filled with what you are saying, or people like Iranian Moderator who basically say "You and your country are wrong and evil because we say so". Of course with a few sentances trying to act like he has nothing biased against the west.

Sadly now days, if you want to discuss something, go to Reddit. The world section of this forum has turned years ago and many of us called it as it was happening.

 

One is LITERALLY paid for and sponsored by the actual government.

The other, you say has conspiratorial ties and backroom deals that noone can actually prove.

No media should be fully trusted, but the Anti American crowd is just getting old, hearing the same thing about "Media bias" when compared to actual full fledged blatant and admitted state funding.

 

Of course everyone has an opinion and it reflects in what they write. ..and people should take that into account.

What turned me off to the MSM is that they are not reflecting individual opinions, but are presenting the same editorial spin... so that they really shouldn't be considered journalists, but rather stenographers.

Their lies literally make me sick to my stomach. They all leave out the same parts, and they all present the same parts... unless they decide to exaggerate a non existent atrocity and make it worse so it will have a greater impact. As an example the falsified bombing of one hospital by Russia in order to distract attention away from the American bombing of the hospital in Afghanistan, turning into seven hospitals in the end... all non existent of course.

[video=youtube;mm4Zo9ALv7w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm4Zo9ALv7w[/video]

 

Ah, but the connections are there if one looks. The consolidation of US media ownership is one.

Also, media and government are literally married to each other. There are quite a few 'power couples' where one spouse is in media and the other in government.

Lately, we've seen a glaring example of a media mogul (Sidney Blumenthal) directly advising a government official (Hillary Clinton). Thanks, Wikileaks.

Couple that with the lack of media 'boots on the ground' around the world that leads to a dearth of first hand accounts, creating an echo-chamber effect.

TV news used to be separate from the networks and was not required to be a profit maker. Not so now, with the result being 'infotainment'.

There's lots wrong with American media, which has led to a general dumbing down of the public, which has led to sound bite news, further dumbing down ..... rinse and repeat.

In my view, this has led to media by and large becoming a government mouthpiece, especially in foreign affairs

Now, I haven't touched on Russian media. This subject is off-topic from the thread and probably deserves a thread of its own. However, your contention that US media *good* and Russian media *bad* based on ownership is simply not true IMO.

 

He's from the former Polish part of Western Ukraine, and Russiaphobia has been embedded in their genes for centuries. Pay him no heed.

 

Time to grow up and get real. They're not even hiding that they're playing the U.S media for fools. Why would anyone trust the fools? They're literally know nothing to quote the source.

White House admits it played us for fools to sell Iran deal

http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/


The mastermind of the Obama machine is Ben Rhodes, a New Yorker who joined the Obama campaign as a speechwriter in 2007 and has risen to become the most influential foreign-policy hand in the White House.

Rhodes drips with contempt for almost everyone but his boss. He consigns all those who do not share every particular of the Obama-Rhodes foreign-policy perspective to a gelatinous mass called “The Blob” — including, Samuels writes, Hillary Clinton.

He thinks as little of them as he does of the journalists he and his team must spoon-feed. “The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns,” Rhodes says. “They literally know nothing.”

Then there are others his assistant Ned Price refers to as “force multipliers,” more senior reporters and pundits who parrot what they’re told. “I’ll give them some color,” Price says, using the journalistic term for juicy bits of inside-baseball detail, “and the next thing I know, lots of these guys are in the dot-com publishing space, and have huge Twitter followings, and they’ll be putting this message out on their own.”...

 

I read that almost all the media and news outlets in Russia are foreign owned, although I recall they were going to limit the amount of ownership and bring it up to par with the US and the rest of the world. I believe only 25% foreign ownership is allowed now ...although articles in papers such as the Moscow Times still have the same anti government spin, but not the anti Russian spins it had before.

There are two incidents I came across about the Russian media. One was about the government being appalled at the articles in the Moscow Times. They were so detrimental to Russia, that he said there is no country in the world where that would be allowed... and he was right. I did read the article! I mean it's one thing to be against your government and its actions, but another thing to want to hurt your own nation by discouraging investments, etc.

I also saw Vladimir Putin reprimanding a radio announcer on a video. Putin told him that he was listening to the radio and heard him saying that Russia shouldn't be arming itself... even though he knew the Nato troops were lined up at the border and posing a threat. When Putin realized it was a government owned station he was furious. Here the announcer was being paid by the government, and yet he was going against the security of his own country. The announcer could care less, he just kept glaring at him.