Shimon Peres: Israel’s Nuclear Weapons Architect has died

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With the recent death of former Israeli President Shimon Peres, the media is producing large amounts of material in praise of Peres.

    Isn't it somewhat strange that the goyim nations help in their own destruction?
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/28/shimon-peres-israels-nuclear-weapons-architect/
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    I don't think religion is the problem at this day and age; most Zionist supposedly are Atheists.
    Mr. Peres lived to be 93 years old! Quite an achievement. Jews seem to have longevity genes!!
    About the nukes Israel has... I can't blame them. They have been at least a strong deterrent for the Arab Nations not to attack Israel. But it has given them the confidence to attack and meddle with other, weaker nations.
    These nuclear capabilities embolden them to defy every UN resolution.

    Poor Germany has been threatened to have all their larger cities nuclear-bombed. Luckily, so far it has been only a wish.
    Here I found a quote from Menachem Begin he made before the Knesset in June 1982:
    "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
    That was the Jewish mindset in 1982!! A little over 30 years ago.
     
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    I think it's absolutely disgusting how we've created a monopoly on nuclear weapons, but are not even capable of keeping to that monopoly! Behind the scenes we (UNSC nations) give nuclear weapons technology to a variety of allies from Israel to India to Pakistan.

    I support the right of nations like Iran and North Korea to possess nuclear weapons.

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    As for the Jews, meh. At least they're nationalists!
     
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    Donald Trump is right everyone should have nuclear weapons, we can't keep it stop it.

    what would happen if Israel used their nuclear weapon on Iran to stop them from having one? and would they preemptively strike?
     
  4. Jazz

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    I am blissfully unaware that it is a lie. You can find it in several places on the net, even in German.
    Are you just saying it is a lie because it is so bluntly disgusting and self-glorifying?
     
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    Good riddance.
     
  6. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it was disgusting that the US dropped two bombs on Japan, when it wasn't at all justified. They just wanted to show the Russians what they had and could do with it. Btw., it was all stolen from Germany.
     
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    Good question! So far, Israel has held back surprisingly. They preferred to go in and assassinate the Iranian nuclear scientists.
     
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    It's too bad the heroes can't go back in time and storm the Japanese beaches. They wouldn't have lasted a minute.
     
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    Shimon Peres is another war criminal that was given the Nobel peace prize. What a joke.

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    And the quote is TOTALLY believable.
     
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    ^^^voice of the left wing for ya
     
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    and this is why there won't be peace any time soon.
     
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    The man is a war criminal and if there is a hell, I hope he is there right now burning in it.


    Shimon Peres was no peacemaker. I’ll never forget the sight of pouring blood and burning bodies at Qana

    Peres said the massacre came as a ‘bitter surprise’. It was a lie: the UN had repeatedly told Israel the camp was packed with refugees

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...orget-no-peacemaker-robert-fisk-a7334656.html

    Read the above article and google "Qana" yourself, Ron, before replying.
     
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    and he was a peace maker
     
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    Every other major power in the region (Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and possibly Iraq) would want their own independent nuclear capability in order to prevent an Israeli strike on them.

    Preventing one Muslim bomb would cause 4 other Muslim countries to go nuclear.
     
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    The man the Israelis call a peacemaker and received the Nobel Prize for Peace is in reality one the most evil war criminals this world has ever known. The Qana massacre was but one of his crimes. This would be a great time for everyone here who doesn't understand these topics to do some of their own research as to what the Nobel Peace Prize is and what this man actually did to receive it.

    They will celebrate this man as a hero and I find that sickening.

    What say you? Can a mass murderer be a man of peace?

    Shimon Peres was no peacemaker. I’ll never forget the sight of pouring blood and burning bodies at Qana

    Peres said the massacre came as a ‘bitter surprise’. It was a lie: the UN had repeatedly told Israel the camp was packed with refugees

    When the world heard that Shimon Peres had died, it shouted “Peacemaker!” But when I heard that Peres was dead, I thought of blood and fire and slaughter.

    I saw the results: babies torn apart, shrieking refugees, smouldering bodies. It was a place called Qana and most of the 106 bodies – half of them children – now lie beneath the UN camp where they were torn to pieces by Israeli shells in 1996. I had been on a UN aid convoy just outside the south Lebanese village. Those shells swished right over our heads and into the refugees packed below us. It lasted for 17 minutes....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...orget-no-peacemaker-robert-fisk-a7334656.html
     
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    Israel is still there, prospering and is as mighty as ever... RIP, PEACEMAKER.
     
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    For anyone who cares or any history buffs, here is a great read...

    Shimon Peres: Founder Of Israel, Architect Of Occupation
    Published: September 28, 2016



    Former Israeli President Shimon Peres, right and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas arrive to attend the opening session of the World Economic Forum at the King Hussien convention center, Southern Shuneh, Jordan, Friday, May 22, 2015.

    Shimon Peres, the last of Israel’s founding fathers, died on Wednesday at the age of 93 after his condition swiftly deteriorated following a major stroke two weeks ago.

    World leaders have lavished praise on Peres, including former American President Bill Clinton, who described him as a “dove of peace” for his role in the 1993 Oslo accords – the first agreements between Israeli and Palestinian leaders which led to him jointly winning a Nobel Peace Prize a year later.

    Born Szymon Perski in 1923, Peres moved with his family from his birthland of Poland to what was then British mandate Palestine in 1934, aged 11 years old. After being brought up in a kibbutz Peres met fellow Pole and subsequent close political ally David Ben-Gurion, who would go on to become Israel’s first prime minister.

    Peres has long been lauded as a man who dedicated his life to finding peace between Israelis and Palestinians, refusing to give up on striking a deal as he entered his tenth and final decade.

    Whilst giving a speech in 2014 at a memorial for Yitzhak Rabin – the former Israeli prime minister who was assassinated in 1995 for signing the Oslo accords – Peres urged people never to give up on peace.

    “Peace has become a derogatory term,” he told thousands of people who had gathered in Tel Aviv. “There are those who say that those who believe in peace are naive, not patriots, delusional. But I say to all those in a clear voice, those who give up on peace are the ones who are delusional.”

    Peres’ poetic way with words often captured headlines, winning him an image of being a voice of reason in a seemingly intractable conflict. However; during his long life in public office Peres’ legacy was forged through his involvement in decisions and projects far from the glare of television cameras.

    Before Israel was established at the expense of Palestine in 1948, Peres was a member of the Haganah – an underground Jewish army – and despite being in his 20s he was appointed to the key role of acquiring weapons and ammunitions to be used in a war that ultimately led to the mass killing and expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians.


    Israel’s bomb

    After excelling in his Haganah role he was appointed director general of Israel’s Defence Ministry in 1953, where he would go on to play a critical role in developing a secret nuclear reactor in the desert city of Dimona in the southern Negev Desert.

    Although he would eventually serve as Israel’s ninth president, as well as twice being prime minister, his role in developing Israel’s nuclear weapons, which were first tested in the 1960s, enshrined Israel as a major military power beyond the reach of any international accountability.

    Later, as defence minister in 1975, Peres met with the apartheid government of South Africa and offering to sell them nuclear warheads. A man who was keen to keep his nuclear activities under wraps, Peres in 1986 authorised the Israeli secret service’s pursuit and abduction of whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu, who would go on to serve 18 years in prison.


    Settlement mastermind

    Peres would eventually come to be viewed as a national treasure not only in Israel, but internationally as well, but he played a crucial role in the development of illegal Jewish Israeli settlements in Palestinian West Bank land, famously using the slogan “Settlements Everywhere” when he was defence minister in the 1970s.

    His role in expanding Israeli control over Palestinian land would continue with the Oslo Accords, because, despite them being lauded as a step toward peace, the splitting of the West Bank into three areas ultimately provided the basis for Israeli control over much of what was supposed to be a Palestinian state.

    The accords led to the West Bank being split into three areas – A, B, and C – and were only supposed to last five years . But these areas continue to be the basis on how the West Bank is governed, with Area A – under full Israeli control – making up slightly more than 60 percent of the total West Bank.


    Qana massacre

    For many critics Peres will also be remembered for his role in the massacre of 154 Lebanese civilians in an attack on a village during Israel’s 1996 military operation against Hezbollah known was Operation Grapes of Wrath.

    Peres was Israel’s prime minister when his army attacked the village of Qana on 18 April 1996, bombing a United Nations building where some 800 civilians were sheltered amid the Israeli bombardment.

    When questioned about the Qana attack – which he defended as being a mistake – Peres later said: “Everything was done according to clear logic and in a responsible way. I am at peace.”

    It is this alternative narrative of Peres’ life and legacy which means he will not be eulogised by Palestinians and many others.


    Arab reaction

    While English language media led with the image of Peres as a dove of peace, Arabic outlets took a different track when covering news of his death on Wednesday.

    Sky News Arabic described Peres as the “godfather” of Israel’s nuclear weapons programme and the “founder of settlements”. Al Jazeera Arabic labelled him a “mass murderer” who was “crowned with the Nobel Prize”.

    The leadership of the Palestinian Authority – which Peres helped create – was more complimentary about the late Israeli leader, with a key advisor to President Mahmoud Abbas describing him as a “man of peace”.

    “His passing is certainly a great loss for humanity and the region,” Majdi al-Kahlidi, diplomatic advisor to Abbas, told the Jerusalem Post.

    However, Awni Almashni, a member of Abbas’ Fatah Party, told MEE Peres was “an enemy of the Palestinian people”.

    “Peres believed in peace but in the Israeli way that gives Israel power and strength over the land,” he said. “We don’t see him as a peacemaker.”

    The Gaza-based Hamas movement, fierce rival of Abbas, described Peres as a “criminal” who they were “very happy” was dead.

    Hamas spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri told the Associated Press: “Shimon Peres was the last remaining Israeli official who founded the occupation, and his death is the end of a phase in the history of this occupation and the beginning of a new phase of weakness.”

    Peres’ funeral will take place on Friday at the Israeli national cemetery on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem, with political leaders from around the globe expected to attend.

    But one person who won’t be there is Israeli-Palestinian politician Basil Ghattas, who caused outrage in Israel when he responded to Peres’ stroke on 14 September by writing on Facebook that he wouldn’t be “rushing to participate” in a “festival of grief and loss”.

    “Peres was one of the strongest pillars of the Zionist colonial settlement enterprise,” the Knesset member wrote. “One of the most ruthless and extreme and harmful to the Palestinian nation.

    “Peres is covered in our blood from head to toe.”

    When contacted by MEE on Wednesday Ghattas said he could not add anymore than what he had already said on Facebook.

    Diana Buttu, a former Palestinian negotiator, told MEE the outpouring of praise for Peres undermined his actual life – and that his actions go beyond war crimes.

    “It’s not enough to call Peres a war criminal because that lets him off the hook – he’s beyond that,” she said. “Peres set into place a whole series of war crimes by Israel that have taken place without accountability.

    “What Peres should be remembered for is not just being a war criminal but making the word peace devoid of any real meaning. Peace can now mean ethnic cleansing, supporting settlement expansion, bombing a UN building, and getting a nuclear arsenal without undergoing any international inspections.

    “Peace can mean flying in the face of international law – that’s what Peres should be remembered for.”

    Palestinian MK Nabila Espanioly, from the Communist Hadash Party, told MEE Peres was a “Zionist leader first and foremost”.

    “His legacy is one of massacres and discrimination,” she said. “He took a step towards peace but he didn’t make any real change except to confiscate more and more Palestinian lands.”

    Until his final days Peres stated his commitment to peace but he was always clear that the Jewish people were his priority in any potential settlement.

    “The first priority is preserving Israel as a Jewish state,” he said in 2014. “That is our central goal, that is what we are fighting for.”

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    If only the lake of fire was real. He fits the criteria for being tossed into it.
     
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    “The first priority is preserving Israel as a Jewish state,” he said in 2014. “That is our central goal, that is what we are fighting for.”

    So, what is your problem with that?

    Ah yes... them Jews refusing to bend over and grab the ankles... some nerves :roflol:
     
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    No one has a problem with putting one's nation first, the problem is more about being a mass murdering psychopath.

    “What Peres should be remembered for is not just being a war criminal but making the word peace devoid of any real meaning. Peace can now mean ethnic cleansing, supporting settlement expansion, bombing a UN building, and getting a nuclear arsenal without undergoing any international inspections.
     
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    Imagine... I didn't even know about that!
    How gruesome and shocking! And then to say they didn't know there were people in the camp! Well, what else would have been there worth firing at for 17 long minutes?? For Israel it is typical to say... "never mind, they are just some Arabs".
    The Jews are strange people indeed.
     
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    under a Donald Trump presidency Israel may be allowed to use nuclear force to send a message to the region that only it can possess nuclear weapons, and by default is the alpha male.
     
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    And no country in the region will agree to that.
     

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