It is now abundantly if not painfully clear that Donald Trump has switched from trying to become our President to trying to dismantle the Republican party. It does not matter "Why" he is doing this only that he is. What do you all think the party will morph into?
There is no question that the GOP is the party of treason. See CONSERVATIVE Professor Anthony Sutton's books which I have previously linked to. See also the following article: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/13272322/republicans-after-trump-alt-right Note that the commentator is, again, a CONSERVATIVE.
Eh I think it will go through several years of mass chaos as it already has been and eventually with many losses in its ranks it will become a more moderate party.
Intelligent republicans already know that they can't win elections unless they become more of a big tent party. They've been needing to boot the extremists from their party for some time and I predict that that will happen. They'll boot the trump supporters...one thing that trump has done successfully is clearly illustrate the filthy underbelly of the republican party...the ones they need to rid themselves of. They are an infestation and a plague upon everything decent and truly conservative. So now that they're identified, the GOP can get rid of them and start appealing to reasonable, decent Americans to grow their party into something respectable and more American. Its too bad that we can't deport trump cultists....that would be beneficial to all of America.
The global super rich elites are teaching all future candidates that they are totally in control of the press and media they own, so anyone who wants to be president has to make his or her deal with them as they are the only people who matter. Hillary Clinton has run to the radical right of the GOP on all matters of war and foreign policy promising the global super rich elites trillions of dollars is war and death profits. To succeed, the next GOP candidate has to promise an unequally level of war and death not seen in at least a couple of centuries. It will, in reality, be a contest of who is willing to kill more people and start more wars around the world.
The real question is what future, if any, do liberals have in US politics? The Democratic party has been taken over a the war industries, neocons, Wall Street, Big banks and the global super rich. This leaves true liberals (not counting people too embarrassed to call themselves "liberals" and instead "progressives" - meaning progressing to rapid hate and war mongering.
I think it is even more clear that Donald Trump realizes he is going to be humiliated in defeat...and has decided to trash this country as thoroughly as possible before that happens. It is to our nation's shame that he has so many people helping him. I hope the GOP wakes up and returns to being a much needed loyal opposition. They will have to weed out the wild-eyed extremists that form so much of their core to do that. Not going to be an easy job.
On the trajectory that the GOP has been on since about 2003, I'd say that it will dissolve in complete disarray and internal conflicts. After Hilarity Clinton puts a Supreme Court justice on board there, who will be at least as bad as either Sotomayor or Kagan (Comrade Obama's picks), we can kiss the SCOTUS goodbye! She'll be able to rule the country as an unconstitutional autocrat, sending out executive decrees, and no one will speak out against her. After about four years of Hilarity, we'll get Michelle Obama for eight years. And after her, don't be surprised if we get Chelsea Clinton, probably for eight years more! . All in all, it looks like at least the next TWENTY YEARS are going to be contaminated by radical, socialist Democrats in the Oval Office. So, if the Executive Branch is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. And if the Supreme Court is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. Then what happens in Congress? Oh, it'll probably be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed, too, as RINO's fight with each other to see who's going to rake in the lion's share of "campaign donor" money... until the donors realize that RINO's can't give them one (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing that they want. RIP Republican Party.... RIP United States of America....
They will nominate Sarah Louise Palin and her pink elephant movement as the next presidential contender.
Somehow, there will be a competitive conservative party again, because that always happens. However, I have to admit that I can't see how it is going to happen. The GOP seems to need the support of the Trumpers who hate it, the "values" voters who alienate women voters, and the white voters obsessed with race that alienate minority voters. How do you build a winning coalition out of that?
So what are you saying? TWO parties exactly the same just with different names? That's what we have now. Republicans profess to have conservative opinions but when they get to Washington, all politicians seem to become the same.
Your statement says it all. The Republican party seems to be made up of many smaller groups, most of which are quite extreme and insular. There is no cohesion of thought or action because each of these extremist groups thinks it, alone, is right on all issues. Sadly, I think theyll continue their Keystone Kops imitation. Their circular firing squad. And, as usual, they'll get nothing accomplished. Next presidential election will be the SOS. Primary: 18 new GOP monkeys. Nominee: another raging chimpanzee spouting nonsense. Result: GOP loses, again. Rinse and repeat every four years.
While I fully understand that limits on intellectual ability often take individuals to inane attempts at insult as an alternative to discussion, rarely do they come off as pathetic as the above. However, in answer to your rather weak sarcastic question I suggest you take a moment in review of my postings here and judge for yourself if comprehension of larger words and concept are not beyond your abilities. I would also recommend you refrain from further attempts at degrading my intelligence as that never ends well. As for what the Party will become...that question is why this thread exists in the first place.
Apparently not. Perhaps you might articulate in such a way that I can do so.....unless you cannot get beyond your childish and silly attempts at seeming slightly cool.
I believe he is saying that he thinks the party will morph into irrelevance, not that the question was irrelevant.
Per the link to the Vox interview with Steve Schmidt I tend to agree that it split into two different parties. The extremist alt right and the moderate conservative adults. The latter will have the support of the Citizens United PAC funding while the former will continue to attract the political sewage that pollutes that end of the political spectrum. How it evolves into those two parties remains to be seen but I am predicting a messy divorce with a lot of fighting over who gets custody of the assets. If the adults are smart they will allow the extremist alt right to retain the GOP brand name that has now been tarnished, nay defecated upon, by Trump.
This does indeed seem likely, and many of the existing leaders in the GOP will suffer because of it. My question then involves what the Speaker becomes.
If the GOP splits into two separate and distinct parties the fate of the Speaker depends upon timing and support. For instance if the split were to occur before the new Congress is sworn in next year then it would be a lame duck Speaker and session and nothing would get done. The Dems might subsequently have the largest number of seats but still no majority and have to broker something with the moderate conservatives. If the division occurs after the new Congress is sworn in then the role of Speaker becomes one of trying to hold the fracturing party together. If it proves impossible, and it well might, then the breakaway faction will probably be the extremist alt right. It is entirely possible that they will try to force a vote for a replacement Speaker and then the Dems are likely to support the existing Speaker in trade for committee leadership positions and the passage of certain bills.
The problem modern day republicans have is this and I see it every day. They cannot relate to under 30's of any race (including whites) and women. You can't just be the party of white male Christian masculinity. Sure that's great for a football game, it's great for sitting on an internet forum full of 45 year old white men but it has no future in America politically or culturally. Now that's a hard pill to swallow. Most republicans are not able to relate to even moderately conservative whites under 30 and that in my eyes is their key problem. Some examples: -They hate technology and anyone who was raised on it and is better at them at it. Their answer to millennials is to attack them. Big mistake that they are paying a heavy price for. White millennials have complete disdain for republicans and that is republicans fault, not democrats. -They hate non-religious younger white professionals. Guess what? That's a big problem for them that is absolutely sinking them. Most under 30 whites are not religious or not very religious. You can't hate your own upcoming crop of people and expect to win elections. You just can't. Such is why rural America is declining. -They can't interact with Hispanics and Blacks and Asians in a respectful way like younger whites can. This cripples them. They're constantly undercut and sabotaged by millennial whites who they've written off as "Too Liberal" who then go over to the more moderate left and thrive. Republicans just have some very hard days ahead where they will have a bitter civil war between the NRA/Christian/Ultra Social Conservative faction and the Business/Secular/Urban/Suburban faction. Only one of those factions can and will win the GOP civil war. Also only one of those factions has any chance at viably winning national elections. The social conservative Christian NRA faction is going to lose and it's simply a matter of them finding that out through the coming chaos. Ted Cruz was not the future of the GOP. Trump was a heralding of much more chaos to come. Social conservatives do not have the numbers. They do not have the wealth compared to the business/secular faction. They will and are losing they just don't know it yet because they're largely blind zealots. The real question to me is, what do the social conservatives decide to do once they lose the civil war? Do they accept modernity and go silently into the new GOP or do they go deeper into their zealotry and fight to the bitter end, going third party, likely costing the GOP elections far into the future or some other option? Again I'm not sure but all I am sure of is they are destined to lose as they basically already are.
