Ukraine to get rid of Russian language at airports

100% of Ukrainian population speaks Russian, about half of population have Russian as native language.

If you want to unite the nation where at least half of people speaks some language - what do you do? You ban this language in schools, in state bodies, in airports and so on. That unites very well.

 

Ministry of education of Ukraine would deprive teachers licenses for speak in russian language

http://translate.google.com/transla...elej-licenzij-za-razgovory-na-russkom-yazyke/

 

This is a very good move. It will take time to overthrow the false & imposed Russian language on the Ukrainian people, a hang over from the Soviet times. But these things must be done to re introduce true nation states.

 

Completely agree.
The more such good moves the faster Ukraine will collapse completely.

 

This is a terrible move designed to erase Russian culture. Ukraine shouldn't be like Europe with its racist nation states dedicated to the historic race of the area.

 

There is a similar issue in Asia. In Japan's former colonies, the elderly can still speak Japanese. In South Korea, they banned Japanese culture and language in the post-war era and pro-Japanese individuals were treated like criminals who betrayed the country. But in Taiwan, it's culturally acceptable to speak Japanese because the Taiwanese see some positives in the Japanese colonial era, when Taiwan was transformed into an industrialised country.

 

Nationalism is a great thing, it gives people a sense of who they are, their history & their culture; it also gives them a ability to have a bias and to determine what is right & wrong.

There is no one on this planet that can disagree that no one hates more than a liberal leftist. They hate anyone that disagrees with them Lberals are the Worlds greatest "haters"

 

Why not? But I hope your determination concerns not only Scotts or Ukrainians. And, for example, Russians also have such an ability to determine what is right and wrong.

 

Russians colonised ukraine and tried to do genocide. Ukraine is merely restoring the status quo ante. I think it's very rich for Russians to try to exterminate ukrainians and baltic peoples, and when they try to protect and restore their cultures, Russians are outraged. hypocrites.

btw, ukraine getting rid of russian names is like poland getting rid of german names after ww2. russians were as bad as nazis, of course you want to get rid of it. Also, get rid of all the communist statues.

 

I think you need to get out from your delusions to the realm of realty.

 

Stalin punished the Ukrainians during the famine by taking their harvests away from Ukrainian farmers because they resisted Soviet rule. His wife condemned him for what he was doing to Ukraine but she later committed suicide. I think it was Stalin's personal fault. Running the Soviet Empire may have taken a toll on his mental health and he also murdered close to 1 million Russians during Stalin's Great Purge.

 

Understandable, in the world English is much more important, than Russian.

 

While Ukraine tries to outlaw legislatively Russian, in the Russian Crimea the state newspaper in Ukrainian begins to appear.

https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/356055-krymu-gazet-ukrainskii-yazyk

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For understanding of analogy. Present that in Canada announce a state language only French. Which many don't know, even in the government! Also forbid to use English in spite of the fact that owns it 100% of the population. And all this for the sake of fight against the colonial British past.

 

Ukraine-Russia conflict comes before ICC...

Ukraine-Russia conflict comes before International Court of Justice
March 6, 2017 -- Ukraine began its case against Russia on Monday in the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

 

What is more important - state, or people that make it?

...ah, there we go. Political agenda over the reason. 9~9

Well, I guess you'll have no troubles prooving that - right? Though I inform you, Goebels' propaganda is not a legit proof anymore, it's not 30th.

*Soviet Union. That's one.
Golodomor Famine has affected ALL of Union, not just Ukraine. That's two.
~682000 people have been executed DURING the Great Purge, this is not 'close to one million'.

And yes, Joseph Vissarionovich 'Stalin' Djugashvili was a tyrant, that came in power after an extensive period of fierce political competition. Also he have been dead for past 64 years.

So, why, exactly, is he bringed in argument over something happening RIGHT NOW, AS WE LIVE, IN OUR WORLD AND AGE? Because Stalin had performed repressions now all citizens of Soviet Union supposed to be considered criminals and their memory violated? Supposed Vladimir Lenin to be considered criminal? For being a revolutionary?
Nobody says these people are saints. But there never was soviet occupation in Ukraine - it was PART of Soviet Union, it is THEIR past, THEIR history as much as mine. I can accept it being what it is - a history. And instead of breaking old memorials - erecting new ones, to make look of that history more full - more detailed - instead of trying to eraze it.

 

Well, finally that neglicent, criminal bloody circus Poroshenko created will get exposed and people of Ukraine will be able to have justice - and first of all - the coup government reminded to either get truly democratic - or get out.

 

Popular Ukrainian musician Oleg Skripka proposed to create a getto for those ones who don't speak Ukrainian language.

"I would like to live in a completely Ukrainian language cultural environment", Skripka said. He said he communicates with "best Ukrainians" and hires only Ukrainian speaking employees. He noted that people which don't speak Ukrainian may seek for a job in "other lands".

Skripka also proposed to create a getto for those ones who can't learn Ukrainian. "These people who can't learn Ukrainian - they have low IQ level, they must be considered as idiots. They must be separated as they are socially dangerous, we need to make a getto for them. We'll help them, as we help people which have problems."

Link in Russian: http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/58f8b4ea9a794714ce97de7a

 

Well, he digs a pit for himself. Knowledge of fluent ukrainian does not makes one a reliable employee, for example. And something tells me he just lost more fans than gained with that statement.

 

Remarkably, the roots of the “Holodomor” (“deliberate starvation”) myth lie in the longstanding Cold War standoff between Soviet Russia and the West. After the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945, infamous Nazi collaborators — members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and their paramilitary UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) units — fled into Western Europe and the United States, escaping punishment for their hideous crimes, including ruthless terror against peaceful Jewish, Ukrainian and Russian civilians.

In 1949 the CIA and the US State Department sponsored the OUN-UPA leaders’ immigration to the United States, planning to use them as subversion groups and intelligence agents in the Cold War against the Soviet Russia.

Hearst’s papers played the hoax big. This is the Chicago American version. What sensible American—or anyone else for hat matter—would like to live in the “Soviet Paradise”? The insidious propaganda did its job well, but it has never stopped.

One of them, Mykola Lebed was characterized as “a well-known sadist and collaborator of the Germans” by the CIA, according to Swedish-American historian Dr. Per Anders Rudling in his book “The OUN, the UPA and the Holocaust: A Study in the Manufacturing of Historical Myths.” However, this fact had not prevented the CIA from recruiting the former Nazi collaborator.

http://www.greanvillepost.com/2015/...x-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/

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What sort of bollox is this? Don't Ukrainians speak Russian themselves? I mean, "Ukrainian" is basically "bastdardised" Russian, yes? Basically it is a countryside Russian dialect.

 

Not exactly. Just as dialects of German developed and existed paralelly until unification of Germany in one state, the same was happening with languages in East Europe. There are lots of linguistic similarities between Polish, Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian, and borders between them are very vague - for example, in Ukraine majority of people mostly speak on so called "Surjik" - from "суржик", name of bread made from mixture of different grains. It is a sort of mixture of classic Ukrainian, Russian, Moldovian, Polish and Belarusian, but also exists the pure form of Ukrainian, defined in XIX century by linguists, with few various sets of grammatic norms - currently in Ukraine itself in use is Grinchenko's grammatic system, but also in 1927, during period of Ukrainisation in UkrSSR been defined so called "Kharkovian" grammatyc system, that currently mostly in use among soviet ukrainian migrants abroad and their descendants.

The language itself cannot be exactly being called "bastardised" Russian, not more than Russian is "bastardised" Ukrainian. Both languages developed in close touch, yet with different sets of external influences, and both been artificially defined, albeit definition of Russian started in XVII century. Even when government, and after it elites have adopted a specific form of Russian, numerous dialects continued to exist. Some remained in active use in regions, some, in time, weakened. There still are notable differences between manners of speech, prononciations of sounds, the placement of accent and use of specific local words in various regions of RF itself.

As one of examples - there differences between speech in Saint Petersburd and Moscow, two major cities of Federation, that are not far apart in means of territory, but had different history, and have different influences. One of classic examples of differences - prononciation of certain words. The bakery in Peterburg in pronounced as "булочная", while in Moscow it is pronounced "булошная" - "bulochnaya" and "buloshnaya" respectively. In Petersburg edge of sidewalk is called with russian word "поребрик" - architectural term that was originally meaning manner of placing bricks, while in Moscow it called "бордюр", from French "bordure". In Petersburg people generally speak more "clear", literary Russian, similar to one of XIX century, while in Moscow in changed in certain details, and also contains at the moment more words adopted from English. Generally, with presence of Internet people started using slang based on English words, such as "агриться", aka "to aggro", "окей", aka "ok", "чатиться" aka "to chat", though usually it is used to refer to chat on the Internet specifically, not talking personally face-to-face.

So, Ukrainian is not exactly dialect of Russian, it is language that kinda exists on equal level - just as whithin Russian, whithin Ukrainian exist differences, and since languages developed paralelly, without much separation, even today people in regions around RF-Ukrainian border speak in mixture of these languages, and it is not uncommon to, more or less, know them both.

On top of that, in USSR from late 30th to it's very collapse Russian was used country-wide, so majority of, at least older genration, from across ex-soviet states know Russian and use it in same way many people today use English on the internet - as a common language, language that can be effectively used for talking to each other and understanding each other, without need of learning each other's languages or using a translator.

As for speaking of countryside... Again, not exactly correct - there are many various dialects of Russian in rural areas of RF, that are settled by russians, and they all sound differently. Misconception of Ukrainian as "countryside-russian" comes from Ukraine, both in age of Empire and age of Union being the most developed and populated agrarian region in country, due to it being down south, with more mild climate and fertile soil. Still majorty of bread in RF comes from agreas on same latitudes that Ukraine is located on - from Voronezh and Saratov, Krasnodar and Rostov-on-Don. You can easily check it yourself, just look at Google maps and look though the "Earth" vision - you will see, that majority of ground there is cultivated and covered with fields, while the further north you'll go, the less cultivated land you'll find. It also related to natural difference in biome - while south is mostly flat, and mostly is an endless open field - past Tula begins area of lush forests, hills, lakes, swamps and narrower, yet more numerous rivers, than in the south.

 

What means "artificially defined"? The examples which you referred to are not significant. So what that Petersburg citizens speak "porebrik" instead of "bordyur"? I and every person from Saint-Petersburg to Vladivostok know both words and know its definition. That's true, the word "porebrik" is used in Petersburg region mostly, but this is absolutely normal word and 99% of Russians know what it means. Russian language in Vladivostok, in Moscow, in S.-Petersburg, in Krasnodar, in Minsk, in Kiev, in Odessa - is the same language. Russian speaker from Lvov can easily understand Russian speaker from Khabarovsk. Meanwhile Ukrainian language in Donetsk and Ukrainian language in Lvov are different ones.

Misconception? Actually, it has a little to do with agricultural development in Russia. The history of this big area - Southern Ukraine or Novorossia, which includes Kuban region, has defined the place of Ukrainian language as a countryside one. Russia conquered these vast areas from Turkey but they were extremely deserted. Russian authorities encouraged people to settle there, people arrived from different lands of Russian empire, so the population was mixed. Ukrainians which arrived from historical Ukraine preferred to settle in countryside, meanwhile cities were populated by mix of Russians, Jews, Greeks, Armenians, Germans etc., and their language of communication was Russian. So, Russian was really urban language and Ukrainian was really countryside language.

 

+++ I hope

 

Ukrainians slowly forget the Russian language and speak Ukrainian.
The Ukrainian language protects Ukrainians from Russian aggression and there is a way to peace.
Let the tourists learn English

 

Russia loser