A Nationalized Kansas?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Pragmatism be damned, some fanatics cling to their ideological dogma with such a death grip that seeing is just not believing.

    TP Sam graciously provided the nation with one stinker of an "experiment" and the reality tv berserker want the disastrous Red State Model to metastasize until the entire nation reeks.

     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The deathgrip the radical Brownbackers who had inflicted the disastrous Red State Model on Kansas has been broken!

    Let the plight of Brownbacked Kansas serve as a lesson to other states and the nation to resist such ideologically-driven crackpots!
     
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    Get a grip, Hillary made the same speeches Obama did. I will say, I do business in Kansas and I know Republicans that don't support Brownback. They say he's a terrible negotiator because of his unspoken no bend rule. Aligning Brownback with Trump is a stretch though. Nice try.
     
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    This guy criticizes any republican executive for underperforming and says nothing about Obama's economy and deficits.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    That was not my "try".

    It is an opinion piece in the Garden City Telegraph by Duane Goossen, senior fellow at the Kansas Center for Economic Growth and former Kansas Secretary of Administration and the Director of the Kansas Division of the Budget.

    There are rumors that the failed governor is under consideration to serve in the Trump administration, and thus Goossen's concern. "Donald Trump has an almost identical economic plan: cut taxes sharply for wealthy Americans on the premise that this policy brings economic prosperity. He proposes creating the same kind of loophole for “business income” that Kansans have come to understand as deeply unfair. Past promoters of the Kansas experiment are now key members of Trump’s economic team."

    Ideological zealots are true believers impervious to empirical data. Goossen's warning to a Trump administration, that it not succumb Brownback's disastrous dogma, is a practical and timely admonition.
     
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    Ah, so this repetitively dull OP has found a NEW union label Democrat Op-ed hack to tell us all about how bad things are in Kansas. Guess the union label Democrat Op-ed hack in the Kansas City Star was getting old and needed a rest.

    1. The Mercatus Study at George Mason University, a study that, unlike union label Democrat Op-ed hacks, measures the states' fiscal health quantitatively in several ways, finds that Kansas is in the middle of the pack of all states, and curiously, well above the fiscal health of almost all of the "Blue State Model" corrupt, Democrat, public union run states.

    2. Studies of general business health by folks such as CNBC find that Kansas is in the middle of the pack in multi factor rankings of business health and business friendliness.

    So, readers, you can accept the word of repetitive OP and his union label Democrat Op-ed hacks, or rely on the more objective sources in 1 and 2 above, choice is yours.
     
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    Cutting taxes to create jobs only works if the environment is right for it. There are many variable involved which will allow such a thing to work, or to fail. Cutting taxes will not automatically create enough jobs to really make a difference.

    Trump is not just cutting taxes on corporations, but has a package where that is just a part of it. He wants to bring back our industrial base, by using different carrots and sticks. Lower taxes, get rid of regulations that were created in order to keep competition down for big business, and then do thing in regards to open borders and trade that will force industry back. Like tariffs to make it economically feasible to make those toasters here, instead of for buck an hour in china. Tarriffs with lower corporate taxes uses a stick and a carrot to encourage the return or our manufacturing base. This brings back millions of jobs. Full time jobs. And in the process you once again do what is good for the average American, and you make America stronger, healthier, more secure.

    But if you just want to drop taxes, keeping the hollowed our economy in place, you will suffer what Kansas suffered.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Your hyper-partisan fixation makes no sense.

    We are talking about very red Kansas electing a Republican governor. and after he had inflicted his ideological dogma, twice assigning him the lowest approval rating in the nation. That same predominantly Republican electorate has now thrown out most of his legislative enablers and replaced them, in large part with moderate Republicans.
     
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    Thus, the lesson of Kansas. Whatever Trump does would do well to be informed by the sacrifice of Sammy's Kansan guinea pigs.
     
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    Try to confront the objective reality: As a consequence of Sammy's Red State Model "experiment", the conservative Kansas electorate has now twice voted him the worst governor in America, and has just dumped most of the Republicans who aided and abetted him, replacing them largely with rational Republicans.
     
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    Ah, so this repetitively dull OP has found a NEW union label Democrat Op-ed hack to tell us all about how bad things are in Kansas. Guess the union label Democrat Op-ed hack in the Kansas City Star was getting old and needed a rest.

    1. The Mercatus Study at George Mason University, a study that, unlike union label Democrat Op-ed hacks, measures the states' fiscal health quantitatively in several ways, finds that Kansas is in the middle of the pack of all states, and curiously, well above the fiscal health of almost all of the "Blue State Model" corrupt, Democrat, public union run states.

    2. Studies of general business health by folks such as CNBC find that Kansas is in the middle of the pack in multi factor rankings of business health and business friendliness.

    So, readers, you can accept the word of repetitive OP and his union label Democrat Op-ed hacks, or rely on the more objective sources in 1 and 2 above, choice is yours.
     
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    Google it yourself. I told you the name of the university and study, and the name of the network ranking states as to business health and friendliness. A child can do it. Sorry if you can't.

    Oh, and nice four ???? by the way, as if that adds some credibility to your trite LW "concerned social scientist" hollow posturing. (It doesn't)
     
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    I'll have to take your word for it, as I know about as much about Kansas politics as I know about Costa Rica politics.

    Point being that you are not holding Obama to the same standards. He inflicted his ideological dogma, twice getting him elected because of exaggerated approval rating driven by the media, and now the electorate has now thrown out most if not all of his legislative accomplishments and executive actions, and replaced him with an alt-right anti-establishment political novice, a GOP that has more political power than they have had since the 1920's, and a broken Democratic Party without power, influence or leadership.

    Republicans now control 69 of 99 state legislative bodies, 33 of 50 Governorships. This is not your first attack thread on Governor Brownback. What about the other 32 successful GOP governors, or the 17 failed Democrat governors, like my governor Moonbeam?
     
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    I'll try to fill you in. Sammy Brownback proclaimed that he would conduct an "experiment" in Kansas, thus inviting scrutiny of what he hoped would be a "model" for the nation.

    He managed to get fellow true-believers elected to the legislature, and they conducted their "experiment" in radical supply-side ideology on Kansas.

    Conservative Kansans decided it stinks, and voted Sammy the worst governor in the nation.

    His "experiment" yields very valuable empirical data for anyone otherwise tempted to follow his disastrous course. Ideologues now desperately wish to avoid mentioning the results of the highly-touted "experiment."

    Costa Rica is a stable, democratic republic with multiple political parties, and a strong system of constitutional checks and balances. Unique in Central America, it abolished its military (It maintains a Police Guard of about 8,000 active duty personnel that accounts for 0.4% of the country's GNP. ) Due to its eliminating a military budget, it has been able to redirect that funding into more positive, constructive ventures for the country including education, security, and culture.
     
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    Your claim you have to verify
     
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    TY for once again ignoring the point. That being your unending hypocrisy.
     
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    Our governor here in Colorado, Hickenlooper is moderately successful only because of the oil industry and it's fracking success. The progressives/tree huggers have tried numerous times to outlaw fracking without success. Gov. Hickenlooper has been conspicuously silent on the subject because he knows fracking is the only industry that even comes close to enriching state coffers and keeps his budget in check Without fracking Hickenlooper would then fall into the category of failed. Also the Colorado Supreme Court ruled against the anti-fracking movement once and for all and I'll wager Hickenlooper breathed a sigh of relief when he didn't have to make a stand with his defeated colleagues.
     
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    The point of an "experiment" is to learn from its results. Your hypocrisy doesn't enter into it.
     
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    Free market economics is not an "experiment". Whatever the problems Brownback faces, I'm sure that Reaganomics is not to blame.
     
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    So you just have blind faith in Reaganomics without even bothering to verify? What makes you so "sure"?
     
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    It is never that simplistic. There are always a multitude of factors. Art Laffer, notorious, infamous, whatever, is one of the most well respected economists in the world.
     
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    The empirical data of TP Sammy's Red State Model experiment continues to render a dismal verdict, a practical demonstration of disaster for the true believers who would inflict their wonky dogma on the nation, nonetheless.

     
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    You need to get out more or at least past the angry liberal whining.

    Kansas: An Unsung Hero For Economic Growth

     
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    In his defense, he is using what resources the state has to best effect.

    He isn't wasting time and money on industries that are likely close to maxed out like tourism or waiting around for manufacturing which may or may not come.

    He was given lemons and didn't try to make orange juice.
     

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