Drought in California, how to solve the problem?

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Should California desalinate ocean water!

  1. NO!!!! That would be evil terraforming!!!!

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  2. Yes, it is better than turning California into a desert!

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  3. Yes, plants are both a carbon and water sink.

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  4. Not sure.... but this is worthy of consideration.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I happened to catch an episode of

    http://yearsoflivingdangerously.com/

    yesterday evening. It was the one where
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Cheadle

    interviews a farmer in California who is going bankrupt due to the
    lack of rain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_California

    Governor Jerry Brown was interviewed and I have to hand it to the man,
    he impresses me as being very sincere. Governor Brown is wondering if
    low carbon oil will solve the problem????????

    I believe that people in California should begin to think a bit outside the box and
    consider a theory put forward by a New Mexico biology teacher and coach
    Carl Cantrell:


    A number of well financed proposals to desalinate Pacific ocean water and pump it to parts of California, New Mexico and Nevada have
    been put forward over the past several decades but the extreme political left has managed to kill every proposal.

    They should really take a second look at the statistic that one nation on earth has experienced COOLING in its climate since
    the 1950's.

    That same nation led the world, on a per capita basis, in planting trees and in large scale desalination of ocean water
    for agriculture, reforestation projects as well as for towns experiencing drought.

    Can you guess what nation that is?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am all for desalinating ocean water where economically possible
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's really the only answer to a global problem. Water shortages will become much worse in the next 100 years. Wars may be fought over water rights.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Scientists, political leaders and diplomats in Israel knew that they could not directly share
    beneficial technology with their neighbours so they wisely passed on amazing solar energy
    desalination technology to Norway....... who has passed the tech on to a number of Islamic nations
    already.


    https://www.facebook.com/SaharaForestProject/?fref=ts

    Sahara Forest Project

    Japanese scientists and investors also have put forward a fascinating
    competing version of this.

    http://www.ssb-foundation.com/
    Sahara Solar Breeder Foundation
     
  5. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree completely!

    Even Canada's Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May partly agreed with my
    major point in my 2008 campaign writing. She stated in a personal message to me
    through Facebook that "turning deserts green was one part of a full response to
    climate change."

    I quoted Mr. Carl Cantrell in my primary campaign writing.

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/
     
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    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    We must also consider diverse cover crops that are drought resistant. Cover crops can be designed for 2" of rainfall up to 200" of rainfall per year. The land needs to be covered year round to conserve water and to cool the soil.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I totally agree with this idea.

    I believe that Dr. Chaim H. Tejman would concur as well.

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/globalW2.htm
    My opinion of Dr. Chaim H. Tejman is that he is another one of those Einstein level
    intellects who volunteered to come down to be with us at this time in order to assist us
    begin to understand the larger picture.
     
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    I have read been looking into this subject for a while now. It is a good thing because here in Alabama we are in a severe drought. I also raise goats. What I have done is copy what the Chinese have done in the Loess valley in regards to the animals. The put them in dry lots and brought the forage to them. It is labor intensive but it will preserve my pasture till we get some rain...I hope. I have also noticed that ungrazed land stays green much longer. It will also recover faster. I feed them hay, commercial feed, and forage gathered locally. My goats are getting fat so I guess it works.
     
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    Agree 100% with this.

    Agree 100% with this also.

    The one thing I would disagree with is characterizing this as a "drought". For all we know, we've just experienced a 500 year wet period in California, and are now moving back to what is the norm. But I suppose that's neither here nor there; no matter what, our region will be getting less precipitation going forward, so we should be looking at solutions to this problem. Desalination of ocean water is one such solution...
     
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    Don't underestimate the value of grasslands to combat drought and to restore soil carbon. Grasses cover the surface area of soil and over 3\4 of the plant is below ground. This filters and retains water and builds organic matter in soils.
     
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    I am not against the desalination of ocean water. But the evaporation of water through bare land must be addressed. Bare soil is hungry, thirsty, and running a fever. In nature the soil is always covered. It is a natural armour on the soil. This can be achieved on a small scale with mulches and on a large scale with cover crops. Using legumes can also reduce nitrogen fertilizer use and reduce pollution.
     
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    No argument here. My wife uses fava for her garden cover crop, sometimes throwing in clover. As you say, it's beneficial on a number of levels, and I can't think of any downside for making use of this on a larger scale...
     
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    I could use a legume cover crop, harvest it for goat feed, and put the goat manure back in the garden. But I get all the horse manure I want for free and use it on my pasture. On my garden I use pine straw to mulch and it is also free.
     
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    Dallas is going to have a water problem in about 50 years. This area is semi-arid and we don't have the lakes and rivers to support our growing population. We'll pass Chicago within 20 years to become the third largest metro area.

    Oklahoma has plenty of water, but it won't allow Texas to have any of it. Desalination of the water from the Gulf of Mexico is the only answer.
     
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    Way cheaper way to go:

    1. Just complete the Water Projects authorized under Jerry Brown's Father "Pat" Brown. It's a fabulous plan, unfortunately the "Progressives" stopped implementing it when the state was at 15M people and now we are at 34M. So we are short on water, because we quit adding to our water infrastructure.

    1A. 50% of the water and snow that hits the state runs out to the ocean.

    2 Major US rivers run to the North of California.

    2a. Build a canal to pick up water from the Snake River and ship it down to Las Vegas. This would allow Nevada to become productive farm land, supply Las Vegas, Hoover Dam and Southern California.

    2b. Bring water from the Columbia river in Portland down to Lake Shasta, and from there, you can run water the length of the State in existing infrastructure.

    2 major canals and you make most of the State of Nevada crop land and solve CA and NV's water problems for 300 years. Unions will love it! The De-Growthers will hate it!
     
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    A nations behavior will be reflected in their land! If the people turn towards Jesus, and pray to forgive their sins, their land will be restored. Do this not, and the tribulations continue.
     
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    I have an offer to make to President Barack Obama that could make it
    much more economically feasible to do large scale desalination of ocean water in
    California.

    Theoretically, a new currency entitled perhaps the "Barack Obama Volunteerism Hour"
    or Dollar, could become an important part of boosting the USA film industry. (The number one
    genre that I have in mind at this time is "semi- reality science fiction."

    I will sign a legal document stating that I want to work for some sort of foundation that
    outgoing President Obama wishes to set up...... I honestly think that I can pass him film footage
    from up here in Canada that surely could be of some use to him and for one dollar per year,
    how could he possibly lose money on the venture.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhm7mMa6bX8
    The Greening of the Sahara by Dennis Tate

    Uploaded on Jul 30, 2010

    http://www.politicalforum.com/membe...ident-obama-remember-antigonish-movement.html
    President Obama, remember the Antigonish Movement?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am in complete agreement with this statement.....
    I began to pray quite a bit back when I was 15, (1974).....
    and my life has been brought up and up and up and up since that time!

    I have some pretty strange stories that I could tell you along that theme!
     
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    "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." While education/wisdom can be obtained in other areas, it will not be obtained as if one had the fear of the Lord. For this is the beginning of wisdom, everything else merely falls into place afterwards. To put it short. Wisdom is by far greater with the fear of the Lord!
     
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    Ah HAH!!

    WE like our Snake River just the way it is, thank you.

    How about if you guys suck the Sacramento, the San Joaquin, and the Klamath Rivers dry first.

    Bunch a rustlers ....

    *looks suspiciously to the south and checks ammo supply*

    :gun:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you ever seen this film:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keQUqRg2qZ0
    Permaculture Behind Greening the Desert with Geoff Lawton full 8:40min clip

    Uploaded on Feb 21, 2011
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly!

    Which is why our Langley connected friend AboveAlpha is so
    aware of the seriousness of climate change.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...long-term-effects-climate-change-logical.html
    Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?

    ........
    Thread: Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!

    Quote Originally Posted by
     
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    Understood. It's a beautiful river. And it discharges an average of 403,948 gallons of fresh water a second into the Pacific Ocean. Just a bit would help us a bunch. While I think its a great idea, I don't see this going anywhere.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True.... bamboo trees are a member of the grass family and they can be
    astonishingly persistent at growing in difficult places.


    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/stop-bamboo-invasion-surprising-facts-roots/

    How to stop a bamboo invasion and other surprising facts about roots
     
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    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    I would love to get the plants in my pasture to develop roots 16 feet deep. Droughts would be much less of a problem. But I don't know how to achieve it. Dr Laura Ingham say to use compost tea but so far it ain't worked for me. But I do live on a rock.
     

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