Say hello to 4 new elements

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Hello nihonium, moscovium, tennessine and oganesson.
     
  3. wgabrie

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    Element 115, the UFO element, is called Moscovium. I guess named after Moscow in Russia, because it was a Russian team who found it.

    This is what international committees gets us. Now the Russians can take credit for the alien stuff. :ufo: :ufo: :ufo:
     
  4. Moi621

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    I can't find a Periodic Table that goes beyond 103 :frown:

    I seem to remember in the very distant past, that a heavier element might achieve a relative stability, creating a new line or column on the Table.
    Did it happen?

    Anyone seen a "new" Periodic Table, lately?

    Moi :oldman:
     
  5. wgabrie

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    No, Moi they have to draw them first. :razz:
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think some of the periodic table is theoretical anyway, so why not. I mean theoretically H20 turns into a metal under sufficient pressure, but it is not something we could ever really prove is true because it requires cataclysmic pressure.
     
  7. wgabrie

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    Actually Moi look up the Island of stability...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability
     
  8. Moi621

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    Thank you.
    Now, respecting I am dyslexic and get lost in the :blahblah:
    I don't see any real "island of stability" among a grouping of elements.
    Maybe 106 but, it's still just a few minutes.

    Am I missing something or did a grouping of more stable, heavier elements just not happen.
    Or do we still have a few to go to get there.
    (Maybe the stuff of Independence Day, etc space craft?) :hmm:


    Moi :oldman:

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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
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    What I took away from it was the time ranges from very short to a day or so. Not billions of years like other, lighter elements.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Of course they could just be hiding the real results to cover up that UFOs are using Element 115... :smile:
     
  10. Moi621

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    I am looking for a family or grouping of elements that are stable in a common person's sense of, stable.
    Not "wowie" over millisecond to seconds". Although 106 is impressive at 3 minutes. But, 106 is not a group.

    Thank You


    Remember, those alien space craft always involve materials we are unable to analyze.
    Never Forget, "Battleship" too.


    Moi :oldman:

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    54'40" plus for the Heavy Element mines.
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    .... No it doesn't? Ever? That's a literal impossibility?
     
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    researchers at Cornell say you are wrong.
     
  13. politicalcenter

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    But dude...H2O is a compound....not an element.
     
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    I was referring to theoretical things.
     
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    I may be all wet here, but metal water would be,,,,ice? How would water in a metallic state differ from water in a solid state?

    I do remember that something common shares both ionic and covalent bonds. Maybe water... Rings a bell but I can't quite remember what it was. The last I had a chemistry class they had just identified Helium.
     
  16. Brett Nortje

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    Water in a solid state is called ice, and in a metallic state has bonded to the point where it will not melt at room temperature. it will not melt because it does not conduct electrons nor friction because it is a metal, and, metals only melt under much heat. think of a mud puddle, doesn't that solidify and turn to sand? this is because the water seeps through the sand and gets thinner and thinner and is absorbed by the sand. if it were in a laboratory, or a 'glass case' where you can see the progress - the mud puddle - then you will notice that it doesn't stay mud it, become 'dark sand.' this is because the density of the material is more.

    Then again, upon studying water, a lake remains a lake for a long time. due to the heat and sun shining onto it, it will eventually disappear, but it gets refilled all the time by rain and rivers.

    The polar ice caps are melting, so, if the ice in that region could melt you would surely say that it is impossible to have a metallic water element, yes? but, the water inside the material is conducting the orbitals and current from one area to another, so it escapes the heat, as water is a great conductor, and will release the heat into the metals, think of battery acid? that also boils and dissolves, but it remains fine in a metallic casing, of course.

    Now, i think there might be a cap to how far down the elemental table we can go, as far as dark matter in fact. this is ever expanding in our universe, because as our universe grows, so does the amount of dark matter. this means that we need to observe that something that heavy can 'create' mass, due to heat, yes? where does the heat come from - it comes from the pressure on the outside of the universe, this is friction, of course, as it is 'something with mass,' like gases, pushing against something that must have mass to be pushed against. this means that energy in our universe is being created, yet not destroyed.

    With that in mind, 'how dense could we make something?' this would be down to how many bonds you can get out of it, making it pack tighter and tighter, denser and denser, yes? then, you would need observe that the bigger and heavier the element is, the more bonds it can have, with extreme new elements appearing in the center, as, they will, due to immense pressure, push the center electron bonds tighter and tighter, yes?
     
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    I have heard that you can't compress a liquid. So wouldn't water under pressure be....water?
     
  18. Brett Nortje

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    Haven't you heard of pressure and "oil pressure?"
     
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    You can compress a liquid. I was wrong.
     
  20. Brett Nortje

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    Not to worry, an honest mistake.
     
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    No, you were't completely wrong.

    There is a difference between compression and pressure.

    Compressing liquids at normal temperatures requires immense forces not normally found on this planet.

    When water freezes into ice it expands. To compress that ice back into the same water volume would take something on the order of 20,000 atmospheres of pressure.

    On the other hand it is relatively easy to compress a gas.

    When one is measuring oil "pressure" that is just a measure of the force being applied to the liquid oil but that does not mean that the oil is being compressed by the force exerting the pressure in the same way that a gas would be compressed by an equal pressure.

    Hopefully this clears up some of the confusion.
     
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    I thought element 114 was provided by aliens in the 1980's when it was impossible to synthesize it on earth. Now earth scientists caught up with it. It is interesting, that alien technology was acquired in secret, then follow up research is done in secret, then the results of it is kept in secret. How many secret weapons like this will we see shoot at us, when we start some civil disobedience in the future? We peasants are toast again.
     

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