Why the AGW Science is Irrelevant

This sums up why the science supporting AGW does not matter (assuming its true and "global warming" is man caused and will lead to catastrophic damage to the earth).

http://admin.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/12/a_cold_anomaly_is_coming.html

I believe we all can understand how politicians around the world can manipulate the temperatures, sea levels, and storms from now until forever if we the people will just give them trillions each year. We can trust them. They can't get their economies to grow despite zero interest rates and massive government spending, but they can control temperatures within one degree one hundred years out.
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If you believe the AGW claims, then the solution is a massive world-wide program which will dramatically change the quality of life of all people. The only way to successfully implement such a program is through the co-operation of all the people on the planet.

But having failed to present their argument and win the support of the people, the AGW believing people turned to politicians who will impose the AGW solution on the world.

In other words, the AGW proponents turned to the most corrupt people on the planet, the people with an abysmal track record of implementing huge programs successfully, the people who nobody trusts, the people guaranteed to abuse those $Trillions a year the AGW crowd wants to redistribute.

So it does not matter what the AGW science says.

The AGW crowd partnered their questionable claims and unpopular solutions with the most untrustworthy people on earth (politicians). They chose a path guaranteed to send suspicion of their motives through the roof.

We don't need a debate because the AGW crowd have lost before they even start.

 

AGW is politics disguised as environmentalism to the world's governments and is religion disguised as environmentalism to true believers around the world.

 

When they call people who don't buy their goods deniers and heretics then you know something isn't right there.

 

What testable predictions has AGW "science" produced?

 

Well, we can start with their election models and extrapolate

Then we can ask how exactly and why exactly are they turning what should be nonlinear models into linear models for the purpose of their "evidence" and "proof". (that is a fancy way of saying, among other things, a heck of a lot of the stuff they plot as carbon isn't even carbon or CO2)

 

The Earth will get warmer (both atmosphere and oceans). It's a pretty easy thing to test conceptually. It just takes a long time because the signal is predicted to be subtle at first and grew gradually over long periods of time.

 

Uh.....what great movement has NOT turned to politicians to implement? That is the PURPOSE of government

 

Rising sea levels, rising global temperatures. Of course, their predictions have turned out to be false.

 

The evidence they are true is OVERWHELMING

 

Sure, if it is so overwhelming then why the controversy? Why the disbelief? Why the discrepancy between predictions and the actual rise? Let me guess, Exxon hired porpoises to screw with the sea level measurement buoys.

 

There is no controversy. Even those who do not believe in AGW admit the earths temperatures are rising. Name the biggest critics of AGW....Spencer, Lindzen et al.....they ALL admit the earth is getting hotter. This is hilarious

 

The issue is not rising temperature, its the AGW crowds claim that human activity is causing catastrophic temperature increases. AGW crowd predictions don't match the real world data.

But it does not matter. The AGW alarmists decided that education was beneath them, and that they were so superior that they should be able to simply impose their mandate on the world. So they teamed with the most untrustworthy people they could find - politicians - and shot themselves down before they even started. And when they ran into trouble, and people started to actually question their claims, they lied. And got caught. They won't even share their raw data with other scientists.

Even if you are right, you lose.

 

Sea levels have been rising for 20,000 years though as of late the rate has slowed to a crawl, about a tenth of an inch a year, which is about as slow as you are going to get above a complete stop. So I certainly don't see this as a testable prediction of AGW given that the current rate of rise much slower than the 20,000 year average.

It did warm for awhile after the little ice age ended, but that too has flattened to the point that it looks highly unlikely that our current ice age will even end. And even if our current ice age ended, even that wouldn't be unusual, evey ice age before this one ended at some point, why wouldn't this one as well?

I think the end of the current ice age would be great, but I'm not holding my breathe that we should be so fortunate.

 

You said this:

Rising sea levels, rising global temperatures. Of course, their predictions have turned out to be false.

And you are completely and utterly wrong

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Every science agency on the planet disagrees with you

 

To date, none. Seems a remarkable con from the financial perspective as now north of 8 Billion dollars is now available for the "faithful" to fund their frauds.

 

Of course there is evidence that sea levels have risen. Temperatures have risen. So, the question is what is then normal? Is it normal for the globe to be a sphere of ice, or is it one that produces life? So, we had an ice age. It ended. It ended without man made efforts. We are now enjoying the natural moderation of temperatures that makes our lives better.

 

This is the fallacy of faith. The agencies, are inanimate things, incapable of having their own opinions. Those people who populate those agencies are clearly in it for their own monetary benefit, where is the credibility then?

The question is impact. The clear assessment is that there really hasn't been real impact shown, nor have the super horrible results that have been opined. I remember mr Algore saying that Boston would now be under 16 feet of water. And yet, it lives on, dry from a nonexistant sea state rise manbearpig predicted.

The problem with being chicken little is that you're still chicken little.

 

If you can not trust every science agency on the planet for this what makes you trust them for anything else? And you do.....every single day.

 

In a way what you say is true. The problem is that the media over reports extremist views of climate change and under reports rational views. They assume every tornado, hurricane, and flood is now caused by global warming which is not the case. Then there are institutions like the Union of Concerned Scientist which masquerade as a science based organization but operate more like a political action committees which undermines their credibility. But, the Chicken Little's of the world don't drive climate science forward so their views should and are largely ignored in the academic community. Al Gore saying Boston would be under water or that the polar regions would be ice free by now are dishonest assessments of what the science predicts.

 

A couple of things about AGW. One, policy is being based off computer models that cannot predict one year out accurately. Two, there is only wide agreement on three things and that is it.

Average global surface temperatures have overall increased for the past 100+ years
Carbon dioxide has an infrared emission spectra
Humans have been adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

That is pretty much it, in terms of verifiable generally agreed upon scientific facts. Everything else after that has not been verified and may not be able to be verified.

The environmentalists and activists have attached themselves to this like leeches because with it they think they can achieve the goals that have eluded them for decades and that is control.

 

The same was said about cigarettes and cancer. Even when science was telling us of the connection there would be some that would dismiss it and say we are extremists. You even managed to find a few doctors back in the day to say cigarettes were good for you. People like you simply hold back real science....but eventually you are dismissed.

 

Three posts I have read of yours and so far all are logical fallacies.

 

They predicted catastrophic temperature and sea level increases, they were wrong.
https://anotherslownewsday.wordpress.com/global-warming-failed-predictions/

AGW is a scam, everybody knows it but some won't admit it out of fear and/or loss of their funding.

 

Its so easy to dispute the denier claims

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

 

Some people find it shocking that ice melts during a warm inter-glacial. Shocked I tell you.