Manosphere: LMFAO

The Manosphere is a movement consisting of the MRA, the MGTOW and what-have-you. Ultimately, it is a movement where men blame women and/or feminism for the supposed oppression men face in modern society.

What on Earth is the point of this movement? Do you identify with it?

My experience tells these are people who genuinely hate women and are nothing but whiny, self-victimising whimps who never get laid. This is obvious to me from observing YT comments and posters on various forums.

 

I thought it was a combination of pick up artists and guys who got screwed over in divorces. They probably have differing agendas though.

 

Oh yes, the "pick up artists" too. Closets (*)(*)(*)(*), everyone of'em.

Just like mainstream feminism, these people may raise important questions but they attack them from the wrong side. I recall this Swedish poster at another forum writing that white women are inherently evil, only marrying black men and suggesting white men should marry East Asians, because they, unlike whites, are not misandric feminazis (hypocrisy much?).

 

Women use thier kids as weapons against men all the time. The pain and anger these men face is far more than justified. There is also a plethora of women divorcing men, taking thier home and belongings, false rape allegations. Etc. It's just as justified of a movement, if not more so, than feminism.

 

I was posting about one aspect of this
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=487071&p=1066891702#post1066891702

Yes, men have gotten the shaft and the chickens are coming home to roost. Even young women are rejecting the feminism of their mothers

We saw that clearly with Hillary supporters who rejected the feminist agenda, as noted by Madeline Albright that there is a special place in hell for women who don't support Hillary. Many younger woman said to hell with that! I'm voting for the old white guy.

I have zero interest in marrying a woman my age. The right woman could change that of course, but after a lifetime of being treated as an afterthought, I've had enough. If they don't respect me then don't expect me to respect them. Disrespect and a disregard of men, who we are and what we are, has been mainstream since the 1970s.

Men commit suicide 4-10 times more often than women, and 2/3 of all deaths from guns are due to suicide. So 20,000 people a year are offing themselves with guns each year in the US, most of which are men and boys. I was very nearly one of them, within a fraction of a second or so, so I have an intimate understanding of at least part of the problem. Men don't matter. We are expendable. This has been the message to us our entire lives. Sacrifice and die... just made sure the life insurance policy is paid up for the wife and kids.

 

Oh yes, can't forget to put the topping on the dessert. If you discuss the male suicide rate with many women, their immediate response is... are you ready... men are weak! So we can't even escape the insults and antagonism by dying.

Like I said, no regard for us. It's all about judging and feeling superior, getting their needs met...and control, control, control. But we don't matter. A lot of man have had it. That's why there are never ending websites for escorts online. And that's why I can find about one sugar baby per square mile in my area, on just one website. They have takers... never mind movements like PUAs who seek to exploit and use women with no regard for them.

 

Actually , in contemporary feminist thought, the explanation given for the "suicide gap" and the "depression gap" is "toxic masculinity"; apparently men are not allowed to talk about emotions with their friends lol.

My explanation is testosterone - men are more aggressive than women and therefore have a easier time committing suicide. This is why men's suicide is often more brutal (and effective) that women's suicide.

To me Manosphere as well as Feminism are both two sides of the same coin; movements for whiny and self-pittying cry babies. Although feminism and "meninism" raise some important questions, both blame the opposite sex for these issues. If the sexes could just be friends that would be great!

And no, women do not divorce their husbands "just like that" this is anti-natalist bollox. Feminists hate marriage because it oppresses women, MRA's hate it because it oppresses men. The truth, however, is that it oppresses no one. It is a voluntary contract and it holds great and beautiful symbolic value.

Finally, many MGTOW's have never even been married and do not even have kids and therefore have they never been screwed over by the law. Watching comments on YT, it is obvious these men genuinely hate white women, most likely because they themselves suck at dating and that is just retarded.

 

Having had a close call with suicide myself, I think it is because in today's society, men's needs are not being met. That was it for me and I have met many men like me. I didn't know it but it was sucking the life out of me until nothing was left. Finally I realized that my needs were never a priority. I worried about the wife and family but nobody gave a crap about me. Finally I reached a breaking point. If I didn't take care of me I was a dead man.

It is a paradigm burned into our culture. Men don't matter. And we are trained from an early age that we are expendable.

One time, back when my health was out of control and I was slowly dying, I had an episode where I passed out hard. My wife thought I was having a heart attack. The last thing I heard as I lost consciousness was my wife screaming at me - You can't do this to me!!! You can't do this to me!!! . I can't do this to her? Even when she thought I was dying she was only concerned about herself.

She also perceived herself as a perpetual victim. This is another recurring theme that has caught my attention. No matter what why or how, whatever the problem is, you can be sure it is blamed on men. It took me many years to recognize that she was ALWAYS the victim and it was ALWAYS my fault, and it was never going to end. I spent twenty years buying into this crap before I realized that our entire marriage was just a con game. Then I started to see it all around me and in other men.

We are also demeaned and degraded for being men and doing what men do. Even now there are men living in sexless marriages, who can't even masturbate without it offending the wife. Mine use to try to catch me [I went ten years without sex and never cheated, but that wasn't good enough!!! And we are judged for looking at porn. Well guess what, almost ALL men use porn. And we have since little Johnny was jacking off in the outhouse to the bra and panties section of the Sear catalog. But there are plenty of women who judge us as perverts for doing so. And they carry that same screwed up attitude right into their marriage.

 

I am sorry to hear your story, but - without the intention to sound too much like a d*ck - anecdotal examples do not count as an argument.

I have huge problems with both the manosphere movement as well as with the feminist one; both are equally crap.

IF men are oppressed by anyone it is by other men. Just saying.

 

How long have you been married?

 

Note also that I reference other men, not just my experience. I've been studying this issue for five years now. I've also been actively engaged with many other men who can relate to my story. A couple said I might have saved their life as well. And I long ago lost count of how many have thanked me. I'm not just pulling all of this out of rear end.

In addition to men's issues, I have also spent a lot of time studying human sexuality as well as sensuality. It is a vast wild world out there. The internet has changed everything! One of the perks of this is that I'm a much better lover now. I learned more about sex in a few years after marriage, than I did in 25 years of marriage.

 

I am reminded of one woman who was posting at a relationship forum about her boyfriend. They were both in their early 30s if I recall correctly. They had been together for several years. He was successful, a good provider, caring, a good father, in great shape, good in bed... in fact she went on for about three pages about how great he was. But he wouldn't move ahead with the relationship and she couldn't figure out why. She went into detail about their lives and it all seemed to fit perfectly. After reading all of this I pointed out that there is one thing she never said: She never said she loves him. I pointed this out to her and she said it had never occurred to her! She had put all of this thought into this relationship yet had NEVER asked herself if she loves him. I suggested that that is exactly why he didn't want to move ahead.

He fit the model she wanted but HE didn't really matter.

This is indicative of a pattern that slowly emerged in my field of view. This was true for my ex as well. Men and women often marry for different reasons. Women often seem to marry for far more practical reasons than do men. In the end, I felt like I was nothing but a means to and end. As long as the checks kept coming that's all that mattered. Woman often say we are led around by our penises. But in fact we often follow our hearts. Then we get sucker punched with a spouse who sees this all as a practical arrangement of some kind.

Part of this may result from the concepts discussed in the book, The Five Languages of Love. People show and receive love in different ways. Sometimes we simply don't speak the same language of love.

When I first left, I made a bee line for Reno and got a couple of really expensive prostitutes. I might as well. Apparently I'd been married to one... except I never got sex.

 

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I empathize with men who have been shafted by the legal system when it comes to things like child care, child custody and child support. The anachronistic idea that women always make a better parent is very wrong and the laws need to be changed to reflect that. Unfortunately, baying at the moon all the time accomplishes nothing as does joining infantile circle jerks. I'm also willing to state for the record that certain members of the far left have been demonizing white males to a point where some (or many) feel forced to mistakenly enjoin themselves with other males (from the far right) whom are misogynistic, and therein lays the problem.

 

0 times, 0 years, 0 months, 0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds.

 

= 0 knowledge and experience. Why not listen to people who have been there?

 

The first steps in any movement is to draw attention to the problem and educate people. While the internet is prone to extremism and flame wars, nothing ever changes if no one talks about it. Men need to stand up and say ENOUGH!

[video=youtube;wKcHMJlE7OM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcHMJlE7OM[/video]

 

I do not trust any movement whose only raison d'être is physical attributes.

 

What does that have with anything? I don't even know who you mean.. PUAs? That is just one faction of the overall revolt by men underway,


You started with this

We were talking about the oppression of men, not the objectification of women. And I would argue that men have been objectified just as surely as a porn star. But it is a different form of objectification. We aren't sex objects. We are mules.

 

All branches of the Manosphere completely lack merit imo.

Objectification exists because there is a demand for it. Every "objectified body" is in the game on a completely voluntary basis.

 

I know a young, newly married couple, and often see the husband in passing, I met him right after he got married. Whenever I would see him and say how's things? How are you doing? How's it going? He would always respond with great zeal and zest, "Livin the dream!" A year later, he still says it, but he almost moans it. I asked about his band. Oh, I had to get a second job. He works about 80 hours a week. They want to buy a house so she can have babies. But he is starting to realize that he is going to be working 80 hours a week for as long as he can see. And the poor guy does hard labor for a living. He didn't say it, but he is starting to see this isn't such a great dream.

 

I don't know about that particular group but the essential message as you stated it is common to many groups emerging.

When you are too young and stupid to understand the choices you are making, and when something is sold as the path to a happy life in every church and fairy tale and movie, you commit without any idea of the choice you are making. Your lofty philosophical perch is based in ignorance.

When you are raised by an abusive woman who demeans men and in particular her husband, and constantly nags and takes cheap shots, and then you marry one, everything seems normal. There is a cycle in play here. And woman historically play the biggest role and have the biggest influence on young men as they are growing up. Dad was always at work.

There's and old saying, happy wife, happy life. Think about it. It is a brainwashing in the act. Keep her happy or else!

 

Your quasi-philosophical anti-love perch is based on anecdotes and genuine idiocy.

 

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