Trump Team Memo Hints at Big Shake-Up of U.S. Energy Policy

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  1. jackdog

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    I feel a disturbance in the force surrounding Gavin Schmidt's underpants. They are rumored to be sagging in a most disturbing manner.

    Seriously trump seems to be fulfilling his promise of an all the above energy policy from carbon capture to Nuclear. Fracking to solar cell research, but overall lowering the cost of energy to make research worthwhile and practical while cutting government waste and abuse. Seriously do we really need both GISS and NOAA. Let the weather people do weather and the space people do space


    Trump Team Memo Hints at Big Shake-Up of U.S. Energy Policy

    The transition team has asked the agency to list employees and contractors who attended United Nations climate meetings, along with those who helped develop the Obama administration’s social cost of carbon metrics, used to estimate and justify the climate benefits of new rules. The advisers are also seeking information on agency loan programs, research activities and the basis for its statistics, according to a five-page internal document circulated by the Energy Department on Wednesday. The document lays out 65 questions from the Trump transition team, sources within the agency said.

    On the campaign trail, Trump promised to eliminate government waste, rescind "job-killing" regulations and cancel the Paris climate accord in which nearly 200 countries pledged to slash greenhouse gas emissions. Trump, though, hasn’t detailed specific plans for federal agencies. The document obtained by Bloomberg offers clues on where his administration may be headed on energy policy, based on the nature of questions involving the agency’s research agenda, nuclear program and national labs.

    In response to news of the document, Senator Ed Markey, a Democrat from Massachusetts, sent a letter to Trump warning that any punishment of agency workers carrying out policies his administration doesn’t agree with “would be tantamount to an illegal modern-day political witch hunt, and would have a profoundly chilling impact on our dedicated federal workforce.”
     
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    I hope Trump nominates Joe Manchin as energy secretary
     
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    ooohhh thankies Margot

    my favorite part from your link

    Reducing energy subsidies. Here’s what the Trump campaign wrote in response to the Presidential candidate questionnaire from the American Energy Alliance:
    “This is an issue for Congress and the people they represent. Subsidies distort markets and should be used only when national security is at stake. Eventually, all subsidies should end so that the demand for energy will set prices, allow consumers access to the best values and encourage all facets of the energy industry to do all they can to keep their particular source competitive.”
     
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    Tom Pyle is a flake......... This Trump cabinet is scary.
     
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    coming from a one of the few libs on here I have a bit of respect for that is a great endorsement for Pyle and Trumps cabinet :clapping:

    My motto these days is if I wake up in the morning and the CNN anchors are in full tilt wailing and gnashing of teeth then it must be another great day
     
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    I certainly hope we stop all research into green energy, instead shifting out focus to nonrenewable energies that pollute horribly and ultimate ends with the US lagging hopelessly behind Europe and Asia in green technology.

    Go team Trump!
     
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    My enemies are getting scared.

    Sweeeeeeeet!!!!!
     
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    I'm not a lib.. Look at Pyle's track record.
     
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    or we could do like Australia who sell all their cheap energy which works 24 and seven to China and India so China and India can use it to pollute the atmosphere while manufacturing expensive solar panels which work some of the time. Me I prefer we keep our cheap energy here and do our own manufacturing and research. maybe sell whatever extra we have to China once our needs are satisfied

    Of course the smug greenies don't worry that China and India are killing their own people because they have no reason to make the power plants there clean. The exporting our polution solution makes the rich Chinese richer and the poor sicker, but the sanctimonious greenies pretend like they are doing the world a favor
     
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    Oh, keep our energy here?

    Don't we live in the free market where companies can sell to whomever they like?
     
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    and when the companies can sell their energy here and make just as much profit or more than selling to China guess what happens. I have a feeling they will love doing business in USA. Now just me but I want to see new tech gas turbine power plants which use NG and sell the coal to China, sorry Chinese but it's your government not me. What I don't want to see is oil, NG, and coal put out of business while we buy some of the the time solar and wind farms from from China and drive the price of energy here through the roof like Australia managed to do. trump only need to look at Australia for a blueprint on what not to do with energy. Europe and NZ have been pretty stupid about it also with the exception of France's nuclear program. Cheap power drives industry which drives research and the USA does that better than anyone
    PF is censoring your link but I managed to find it anyway. The author is correct. What I don't get is that 20% or more of your country is in energy poverty having to decide between food and heating/cooling their homes and what does your government do? Build a new shiny solar farm that will give them expensive energy for a few hours a day. Meanwhile Australia coal industry is shipping millions of tons of coal to China so they can burn it in outdated plants for cheap energy to manufacture the solar panels to sell to you, creating hellholes for their people to live in. But the watermelons in your country see no pollution in Australia so all is good and screw the middle class who are paying double what they should to heat/cool their homes. madness..utter madness
     
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    Energy policy is a hot topic in Australia right now. But I think further discussion of it will derail the thread. I'm glad you found the article, the title obviously got the censor bot upset :smile:
     
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    Oh. How exactly does that work? do companies in the US magically send energy to China for higher profits?
     
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    I am not surprised you think marketing involves magic. If you don't know how marketing works do your own research, I am not a junior college teacher. Look up supply and demand

    back on topic. any bets GISS will not survive a year and the EPA is told to concentrate on real pollution. NASA need to get back to what NASA was intended for and that is not to make Muslims look good and worry about the Greenland Ice sheet
     
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    Keeping up with the Jones' makes little policy sense except to the Smiths.
     
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    I do expect quite a bit of new research to be stared here in the US. R&D is dependent on profits and is what leads to future profits, any successful business person knows that. One has to constantly adapt and innovate. Ask IBM what happened with it's wonderful old Selectric typewriters. The government did not invent the PC. get government out of the way and it is amazing what can come from basements and garages. Just ask anyone who knows Apples history
     
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    Oh, marketing.

    Energy is bought and sold on an international market. Producing oil in this country doe snot mean it stays in this country. The pretense of some right wing socialist paradox about energy independence is a simplistic joke pushed by folks that think that what we make here, stays here. It doesn't. Price is set by international demand, not by lame rhetoric about domestic energy.
     
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    what does this have to do with the topic of Energy Policy shakeup ? don't you have anything on topic to add to the discussion ?
     
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    I beleive i did add to the discussion.

    The Trump camp appears ready, willing, and eager to rape our environment in order to perpetuate the use of fossil fuels while eschewing science and technology in order to maintain 19th century forms of power that are finite, whilst the rest of the world realizes the problem and works both privately and public to develop greener energies.
     
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    an substantiated speculative personal opinion is the best you can do ? I fail to see how making energy and therefore manufacturing more expensive leads to innovation and research.

    Margot gave an excellent link to a ARS Technica article yesterday which has some good details in it., i suggest you reaad it and see if you can come up with some intelligent comments on the topic

    Trump team memo asks Energy Department about cost of carbon
     
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    Ah, is the cost of energy making manufacturing so expensive it is moving to other countries?

    Or is labor in other countries so incredibly cheap that there is no way to offset that savings by lowering energy costs a couple of percentage point? I find it difficult to believe energy costs are so exorbitant that they are precluding expansion in the manufacturing sector.

    But one also has to consider that manufacturing countries are moving rapidly towards renewable energy. Why? Well, I would say true energy independence for one. It is easy to transport coal and oil overseas, but not electricity. Perhaps because reliance on unstable and finite energy sources such as coal and oil is simply stupid, 19th century thinking.


    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...uarter-of-electricity-from-wind-power-by-2030
     
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    thanks to fracking energy here in the US is almost as cheap as Chinese energy but the green agenda in the EU and Australia have resulted in skyrocketing energy prices. Trumps policies are to keep the cost of US energy low so we don't go down the same rathole as the Europe did. For the sake of band width I will not post pics of the air pollution in China and India. But I will provide a current link below the energy price graph


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    This is what has resulted from Australia exporting their coal

    India overtakes China in air pollution fatalities by 50 more deaths per day, shows study
     

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